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VirusZero
Posted: Sep 27 2006, 04:09 PM


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my problem with religion is this:

god is suppose to be all knowing, all powerful and perfectly benevolent.

but now if god existed, why the f*** would his eminence allow his greatest creation to suffer so much with epidemics/disease and natural disasters. why would he allow these diseases and disasters to destroy his creation, and you can't tell me "because it keeps the population down" because thats a load of crap, god is supposedly kind towards humans so to allow such harm would be against his nature. millions of deaths for population control isn't fair as god is suppose to be. and forget blaming satan because god is supposedly all powerful he could easily stop satan. so strike one, god is not benevolent

now if god was all knowing he could easily have forseen all that would happen and change it with his whim, but apparently he messed up because lucifer turned on him which if he was all knowing he would have seen and therefore would not have created lucifer so he could not have turned on him. strike two for god, god is not all knowing.

and for god being all powerful he doesn't seem to do much any more, infact i'd say for the last 2000 years he hasn't done anything, when he could have used his power so many times and helped, as part of the faith god is supposed to reward his true believers right? well shouldnt he help his true believers on earth when their alive to show that he does care and is ready to help his believers. so if god does have omnipotent powers he clearly doesn't seem to care using them to benefit anyone but himself (as demonstrated by his clear lack of willing to help people). thats another strike against his all knowing and his perfectly benevolent nature. so for his all powerful nature it's hard to even say he does have that much power no one has ever seen him use it, ( natural events don't count, they are perfectly explainable.)

the disproving of even one of the points of god means that god is fallible which by definition makes it impossible that god exists because it means that he defies his own laws (which is basically set out in the bible correct?) so therefore he mustn't exist.
now if god doesn't exist how could satan, a fallen angel created by god, exist.
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+ Sephiroth
Posted: Sep 27 2006, 04:21 PM


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You know, this might be a little strange, but if you wacth chrono crusade some of your questions can be aswsered belive me...at least it agrees with you when you're talking about that god is the savior and that he's going to save it all...right, it would be good if that was true...in the series a character says that god ins't the creator but just a pupet master that likes to play with its creations and doens't care about what can hapen to them, cause like so their esence is so fragile that they can break in an instant, and god is the one that's in charge of breaking those pupets(we humans)...
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+ blazermax
Posted: Sep 27 2006, 04:29 PM


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dang VZ thats a very touching speach about god not existing but if you dont belive in god who do you belive in.....matter of fact WHAT do you belive in do you think that anything is what it is or do you just go with the flow and do what you want icon14.gif
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VirusZero
Posted: Sep 27 2006, 04:57 PM


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As corny as it sounds (you've probably heard it from every anime but still)
I believe in myself and my own abilities. And for the most part I just go with the flow for each situation, I don't get to riled up, but you know once it happens look out. As for doing what I want, for the most part I follow with what I am supposed to do.
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+ Sephiroth
Posted: Sep 27 2006, 05:03 PM


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And it's a good thing you think like that...we can't depend on others to do our stuff, specialy on things that we don't even see...we must have a self confidence feeling always present with us...things don't hapen by miracle, things hapen because we make them hapen...it's we who conduct our lifes, not some superticious name that's supost to have all the anwsers...anyway i think that you resemble so much with Aion in so many ways VirusZero( Aion is a character from chrono crusade), exept you're not a demon...he believes that we are our own god's, we make miracles hapen...just like you...
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A.J. The Echidna
Posted: Sep 27 2006, 07:23 PM


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Actually the all knowing God thing can be explained by Jhonen Vasquez's JTHM. God is just taking a very long rest and has turned into a fat baby in a Lazy Boy recliner. I know what you're thinking, "A.J. and Vasquez are going to Hell!" but just think about this situation for a bit.
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+ Dark Mage
Posted: Sep 27 2006, 07:53 PM


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I believe in no religion whatsoever,I don't care what happens to me when I die either,it's enevitable.
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+ Mystic Mage
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 01:05 AM


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QUOTE (Mystic Mage @ Sep 27 2006, 07:59 PM)
But here's my counter
Maybe God has his part and so does the devil... maybe God and the Devil is as powerful as each other... So the devil can reak havoc when the time comes and that's how the hurricans come from no where... if he lives in a place where there's rock and fire... fire makes earthquake and volcanoes happen as hot magma rises reaches the tops and cools and sinks... that makes the plates move... But then the plates make land, sea. Iceland is made where 2 plates are moving away... so maybe god's counterattacked the devil so we can have more land.

Just think there's more than one being involved in the world...

Ahem... that's another idea on why we have suffering and loving... There's a God and a Devil... Mmm maybe Devil is not weak and god not so strong so we mix and have good things and bad things... There's always two or more sides to a war... and you've got one happening on Earth between Heaven and Hell... It's a possibillity
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+ Sephiroth
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 09:44 AM


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QUOTE (Dark Mage @ Sep 27 2006, 07:53 PM)
I believe in no religion whatsoever,I don't care what happens to me when I die either,it's enevitable.

You got a point there...
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Posted: Sep 28 2006, 10:08 AM


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the sad truth is:
"from the moment we are born every second we are alive, we are dying"

but for the devil/ Lucifer, have a hard time accepting he exists as well. God would know before he created him if he was going to turn on him, so therefore God could have prevented it from ever happening, simply by not creating lucifer the angel.
but as the bible said : God is perfect so that means he/she/it/they (which because we don't know if God has a gender, so for simplicity sake i'm going to call it male, it could be female i dunno ) is all knowing, all powerful and benevolent...

but by disproving even one of those points (which i actually disporved all 3 in a previous post.), it means god is NOT perfect and therefore violates it's own laws as said in the bible. so if one of those parts about god isn't true and god is a perfect being then god is not perfect and therefore defies it's own name. which cannot happen. so god cannot exist.
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+ Dark Mage
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 10:13 AM


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I agree VZ,I learnt the hard way that there is no God last year.

If this so called God is allmighty and perfect,he/she could of stopped all the bad stuff from happening before it happened.

Like 9/11,World War 1,2 and Vietnam and such.
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+ Mystic Mage
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 10:15 AM


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QUOTE (Mystic Mage @ Sep 28 2006, 07:05 AM)
QUOTE (Mystic Mage @ Sep 27 2006, 07:59 PM)
But here's my counter
Maybe God has his part and so does the devil... maybe God and the Devil is as powerful as each other... So the devil can reak havoc when the time comes and that's how the hurricans come from no where... if he lives in a place where there's rock and fire... fire makes earthquake and volcanoes happen as hot magma rises reaches the tops and cools and sinks... that makes the plates move... But then the plates make land, sea. Iceland is made where 2 plates are moving away... so maybe god's counterattacked the devil so we can have more land.

Just think there's more than one being involved in the world...

Ahem... that's another idea on why we have suffering and loving... There's a God and a Devil... Mmm maybe Devil is not weak and god not so strong so we mix and have good things and bad things... There's always two or more sides to a war... and you've got one happening on Earth between Heaven and Hell... It's a possibillity

I take it that no ones listening to what i'm saying sleep.gif
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+ Sephiroth
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 10:28 AM


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You canot prevent human actions DM, that's the truht...god is a name with a reputation to keep, so no matter how we try to convince ourselfs that he doens't exist he will always be present with you, cause as long as you have the kwnolege of that word, you will always have doubts about supernatural things...sure you can chose a path of loneliness and live life by yourself, by your own rules, but words like "Thank god" or "My god" will always come out of your mouth, even if you don't meant it...Anyway, things are like we see them no matter what and my signature explains this question better...We are our own God's...we make miracles hapen...not words with an irrelevant meaning....
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+ Dark Mage
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 10:36 AM


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We can't do jack crap Sephiroth,sure,we can create machines and stuff but we can't control when we die and if bad stuff'll happen.
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+ Mystic Mage
Posted: Sep 28 2006, 10:36 AM


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Oh I give up... everyone's just gonna ingore me either way Sonicejem.jpg
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