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'The interspecies challenge'



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 Why Do You Read Slash?
Tinker Bell
Posted: Apr 28 2004, 08:19 PM


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I seem to remember a topic like this from the old forum....basically, what appeal does slash hold for you? Is it just a fun hobby to read and write? A way to imagine the characters how you thought they might have acted in the fellowship? Perhaps it even goes deeper than that....I've heard people say that it's kind of a way for women (mostly) to have their own erotic media - kind of the 'flip-side' of the pornography coin, if you will. For some it's a form of expression, and for some it's pure fantasy.

So, what's the appeal for you?


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LadyofLegolas
Posted: Apr 28 2004, 08:53 PM


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For me is always about love and! I just love to see two beautiful males in a love relatoinship. May it be fantasy or real life, I admire their opennes, their sexual freedom and it always melts my heart when they talk about of their wish of acceptance and wish for children!
It is so heartbreaking, that in today's world they still have to feel 'different' , just because the world is still so "single minded"!
When will the rest of the human society will realize, that love is don't have to be about gender?
Love is ageless, genderless and beautiful in every form!
Reading and writing slash is always gives me hope, that one day all people well be equal and happy.
It makes me feel good, that there are countless people in this world, who are sharing my opinion!
I would like to see the day, when nobody will use degrading labels like: gay, lesbian, homosexual, fag, dyke, bi-sexual regarding relationships!
Well, one could only hope!

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Posted: Apr 28 2004, 09:11 PM


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Hmm for me its a lot of things... I like the way Slash can explore the dynamics of a relationship and not sound like every romance novel in book stores. I like the way it touches on friendships becoming relationships and even the bigger ways of dysfunction and such. I like that it takes something that I already see as completly normal and good as the same, even when its about the same discrimnation seen in the world today, I love how they work through it despite the odds.

And I also have a strange facination of seeing heros and other such chars that I love in weaker positions. I don't me so much the *over femanizing* that tends to be found in some slash but just overwhelmed, injured, and in other such situations and i do love the idea of two pretty boys getting it on wink.gif.


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Tant
Posted: Apr 28 2004, 09:27 PM


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I started reading slash because there was nothing else to read. I got started with Yu-Gi-Oh! and there are only about four girls in the whole series, so almost all fics are slash. I really wanted to read Yu-Gi-Oh! fics, so I figured "What the heck?" After that, I just never went back to het.
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Posted: Apr 28 2004, 10:45 PM


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Because het fics are usually stereotyped uncreative harlequine-paper-back-ish CRAP. A lot of slash is crap too, but it's more likely to find a well-written slash story than het story.

Most of my favorite stories actually don't involve romance, but I still like them sometimes.


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Posted: Apr 29 2004, 03:19 AM


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At first, I found slash by accident. Someone didn't put a warning on a story I was reading. It was a slash story between LaCroix and Nick from Forever Knight. It was THE sweetest sex scene I had ever read and I immediately loved slash because of it, starting a big obsession.

The main reason I read slash though is for the simple pleasure of seeing two (or more tongue.gif ) of my favourite characters falling in love. it just so happens that most of my favourite characters are male...sometimes I write het (I agree it is too much like romance novels, which I cannot stand), most of my stories that are popular have no romance. Or they do, just not in detail. Like on the sidelines, not interfering with the bigger picture.


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Elf Molester
Posted: Apr 29 2004, 10:57 AM


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I just stumbled across a fan fic one day about Aragorn/Leggy and it turned out to be slash. I read it and I liked it a lot so ever since I have been mad on slash.
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Helen
Posted: Apr 29 2004, 03:41 PM


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I stumbled too - the first fic I read was a Harry Potter slash (though I can't remember what pairing), and although I hated it, I sort of bore it in mind. Then when I got into LotR later that year, I went looking for LotR fanfics. And I found slashy stories on fanfiction.net and got reading. Admittedly, many of them weren't of the best quality, but when you find a gem, you start looking for more good stories.

But that's more how, not why? It just appealed to me, and made sense in a way. I liked the idea of romance and love being present everywhere, not just in rubbish romance novels. And with pairings that made absolute sense to me, it was nice to see the characters happy together. It just kinda clicked biggrin.gif
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Iirima
Posted: Apr 29 2004, 05:24 PM


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I had read a little Het fanfiction, because i had just got into LotR and wanted more *shrugs* before slash, and It was just so cliched, and the focus was all on the woman. And frankly, I didn't care about the woman. When i found slash, I was o.0 at first, but was soon in love with it, better than one hot guy? TWO hot guys! *no-brainer* and then the charecters can be so different, they can be crying one minute, and then strong the next. That and the fact I like sub males, but don' like dom females. *rambles*
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Alassa Silverglass
Posted: Apr 30 2004, 01:06 AM


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I read it because it's refreshing to see gay pairings in a world where that relationship is still frowned on; being lesbian,personally I read it more for the story and the postive influence it's had on my life.

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GlamorC
Posted: May 1 2004, 11:59 AM


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I acknowledge the possibilities and the good points about slash... there are a hundred or so discussions or essays about them.

Personally, though... I stumbled in the world of slash. Confession time once again:
Alt.fan(boy).tolkien had a heated argument about homosexuality in the books and movies. The thread was named "Gandalf the Gay". It didn't take long before the discussion turned into a flame war and people started calling each others homophobes. That was sad, but it was also fun for a while. And it was sad. Yes.

On a certain Finnish game mag's online forum people were praising and critizising the RoTK movie. So, they made funny comments about the kisses (Aragorn & Boromir) and tickling in the bed (hobbits!).
Then some joker said: "The extended edition will show the lesbian scene between Arwen and Éowyn."
Some genius answered:
"True. Tolkien referred to that in his original appendices. It starts out as a cat fight but soon changes into a lesbian sex scene. I believe the scene was supposed to be 5 minutes long, but 10 more minutes are probably added to it..."

I, GlamorC, was howling, cackling and choking with laughter at this point. I devised a cunning plan which I never put in motion.

I would write a pwp f/f fic and post it to alt.fan(boy).tolkien. That would be trolling, of course... but I would make it a very delicate troll.
Then I read an obvious troll in the group and got very angry, so I never wanted to have anything to do with trolls in my life. The idea of the story remained, however, and I wondered if somebody else had written stuff like that...

I saw a link to Ansereg.com then on the newsgroup, and from there I discovered the link to LoM.

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HJ Bender
  Posted: May 1 2004, 06:55 PM


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QUOTE (telegramsam @ Apr 28 2004, 05:45 PM)
Because het fics are usually stereotyped uncreative harlequine-paper-back-ish CRAP. A lot of slash is crap too, but it's more likely to find a well-written slash story than het story.

Most of my favorite stories actually don't involve romance, but I still like them sometimes.

This is my reason also; I was first exposed to yaoi/slash in 1997, and the fics I read on those sites were a million times better than any of the hetero bilge out there at the time. I was shocked. It was like... those authors knew how to write. They weren't subliterate squeeing Mary Sue-weilding fangirls. The stories had plots and drama and emotion and passion and all the things that were missing out of het stories, and a HUGE majority of the het fics (then and now) are still nothing but Mary Sues. I was drawn into the world of slash because it was just so much more well-written and fresh and educated than anything that could come out of a lovesick 13 year-old's hackneyed list of Been-There-Done-That-Wrote-the-Fic ideas.

Soon I developed a one-sided (if somewhat bullheaded and obstinate) approach to the whole slash issue: gay fics are great, het fics are shite. I'm serious. Everything in a het fic has already been done before and been made into a movie already, whereas slash adds a unique twist to the whole someone-meets-someone issue. For characters to overcome the gender issue as they discover love existing between them is beautiful, and to me represents a sort of psychological transgression above the oblivious multitude who still believe that true love is something that only exists between a man and a woman.

Slash, in my opinion, is for people (and fans) who have their own ideas and can think for themselves without resorting to using the intrinsic crutch of an ignorant society when it comes to formualting their own opinions about anything aside from the trite boy-meets-girl slop.

And for the past few years I've begun to develop an intolerance for hetero fans. I've gotten countless emails and letters along the lines of:

OMG!!1! i toataly LUV your (enter random slash or yaoi art name here) but i was wondering if u could draw 1 of teh charachters as a gurl. that would be liek SOOOO awesome!

It's like they totally miss the whole ficking point, you know? I draw yaoi and slash art because I think it's beautiful, and then some brainless moron comes along and insults me by actually having the audacity to request that I change it to conform to what they think is right? People like that make me want to puke, and over the years I've had my fill of them. I'm almost completely Anti-Het now, cos 1.) a majority of the fans are retards, 2.) the fiction lacks substance and depth, and 3.) oftentimes they are ignorant and quick to flame anything they read (regardless of prior warning) that doesn't exactly comply to their standards (no matter HOW well it's written--it could be written by Oscar Freaking Wilde and they'd still call it crap).

But like telegramsam said, there are crappy slash fics out there, too. But I'll tell you this much: I'd rather read a crappy slash fic than a crappy het fic any day of the week.
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GlamorC
Posted: May 1 2004, 08:14 PM


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HJ Bender - Alas, you are right about the condition of het fanfiction. Now, I have certainly not read that many het fanfics, but looking at some of those on AFF... hmm. Mary Sues? Aye. Horrible writing? Aye. PWP? Aye. Horribly written? Aye.
(There was a well-written and enjoyable het fic at Ansereg, pairing Galadriel and Celeborn when they meet for the first time iirc.)

It would appear that even if a het fic (original or fanfic) is well-written and the characters are believable, the fic may lack those points which would make the story stand out... mostly it's originality. That may not be a problem if you haven't actively read much het to begin with, but het comes from everywhere: media, fairy tales, the Bible, you name it. It gets easily boring.

Making an interesting and thought-provoking *het* fic would be a challenge. Well, that's an optimist's way of thinking...
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Posted: May 8 2004, 10:49 AM


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I don't have a problem with Het perse (I've read some fab Het/Gen stories, and even written some). Good writing is good writting, whatever the subject (just like bad writting is still just bad).
But slash just has that little bit extra in that it has to go deeper, do more explaining. I want to read *why* this man falls for another man, instead of the more obvious girl. And becuase of the 'abnormallity' of the situation, there is much more oppertunity for sparks to fly!
Here you have: two males. Both being familiar with being the stronger/dominant partner in a relationship. Together they have to find a new balance! Will one have to submit? Can they both be equals?
Though I hate feminisation of male charecters, I do love to see a male put in a vunerable position, taking him outside of his natural strong/dominant role. Somehow I find that *increbible* erotic.
And so we come neatly to the sex... M/M sex is just plain hot in my mind (since I've never actually *seen* two men have sex, I'll stick with my fantasy smile.gif ) I don't know why, but it's something I've always felt. Something about the unusualness, the finding of dominant and submissive roles, the giving or holding of control. It just turns me on smileysex.gif

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Rose of Rivendell
  Posted: May 8 2004, 05:20 PM


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I stumbled, and fell into, slash. I have always read fan fiction. I used to read a lot of X Files (The only acceptable het, btw), and I was always curious about Mulder/Krycek. Then, a while later, I found this one story with Aragorn/Legolas/Arwen. That did it for me! I was hooked, that was the best story!

I like slash b/c, like you said, with het, Mary Sues are rampant (kill them), and the writing is not as good. They're just writing to write, which isn't evil, but close, whereas slashers seem to put more into their stories. They care more about the characters and what happens to them.

I also like seeing two (usually hot) male characters who you know love each other, get together. It's like extending the books/movies. Esp. now since it's over, there will always be slash to back me up! whip.gif

Can I get a HOO-YAH slash! blink.gif


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Posted: May 8 2004, 06:02 PM


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I also just stumbled across it while reading some Buffy fan fiction, with Angel/Spike.

Then when I read LOTRS I just became obessed
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lissiel
Posted: May 22 2004, 04:15 AM


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Well, I think one of the reasons I tend to like slash more than het or even most femslash is that, well, frankly it's written by women for women for the most part. Seems to me like there has to be some emotion, some plot or conflict there for me to care about the sex. I don't care if it's the hottest thing ever, I know I'll be skimming and skipping over it if there's no point to having it in the story, which is something I guess doesn't bother most guys, since I find that it's not a consideration in most of their erotic writings.
Also, I think that it's easier to be freely agressive and sexual with two men just because they are equals and they are both strong people, able to give as good as they take. One of the main reasons I don't like het is because it seems to almost always be unhealthy, with the strong, sexual man forcing or cajoling the weak, pure woman to submit to his dastardly desires. That's why I like femslash, too, because it gives women a chance to be with someone gentle and loving too, and also to grow into an awareness of their own strength because they're not in a totally unequal relationship, y'know?
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I completely agree with what lissiel wrote,that`s what I really love about slash,that it`s about equals(unless one character has been totally femininized).I hate the weak female characters so frequent in het *gag*.One of the few het pairings I actually enjoyed was Mulder /Scully because I felt they were portrayed as being equals in the show.
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Rose of Rivendell
Posted: May 23 2004, 05:18 PM


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Yay! Another Mulder/Scully reader! Really that is the only acceptable het pairing. And I totally agree with the equals thing, that's a reason that I read it too, and why I continue to read slash. Weak females? I think not! Slash please! whip.gif


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Posted: Jul 15 2004, 05:17 PM


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The reason I love slash so much, is becouse it holds like the other part of the story for me. The universe Tolkien created is, like our own, very sad and full of misery and war, heroism and death. But the main reason this world is so appealing to so many people is, that at a certain point it no longer feels as simply fantasy, written to entertain. It feels like it could have been true. And even if it isn't those are still real characters, with real feelings and desires you read about, almost get to know. And like in our real world, you imagine that there is more to them than just what you read. For every death there has to be a life, for every moment of pain one of happyness. And those moments, maybe not as great and epic to write grand books about, should be told also. And they don't diminish the strenght of the story Tolkien wrote, like some people might argue, for me they make it more beautiful, more complete.


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