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chennai_cheetah - October 25, 2004 12:35 PM (GMT)
Is it an unbeatable, undestroyable, unassailable country in the world history? According to me, Yes. I will tell the reason in coming days.

Btw, What do you think about this country?

zidane_Fan - October 25, 2004 12:40 PM (GMT)
If theres any other country I respect the most after India, its Israel...A tiny country with adversaries in all directions, and still existing...Wow! If they were to adopt policies like India, they wud have been wiped out..But those guys have guts to defend their existance...What a nation! My salutes to Israel! :hail:

zidane_Fan - October 25, 2004 12:43 PM (GMT)
Hey cheetah, I have read somewhere that Israel fended off three islamic nations at once, at war...Jordan + 2 more..Is it right? I know they are brave people, but three nations! Thats mindblowing..

pakistani2004 - October 25, 2004 01:51 PM (GMT)
Israel is the most the most the most the most the most the most ________ in the world..........huh :huh: :huh: :huh:








BinQasim - October 25, 2004 02:00 PM (GMT)
What does that mean Paki??


And hey come online after some time I am in college now

zidane_Fan - October 25, 2004 02:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (pakistani2004 @ Oct 25 2004, 07:21 PM)
Israel is the most the most the most the most the most the most brave in the world..........huh :huh: :huh: :huh:

LOL! Hey is that what you mean...Write full sentences buddy.....ALWAYS

OZGOD - October 25, 2004 03:16 PM (GMT)

I don't mind Israel. They do some things that I agree with (I like their philosophy on combat and self-defence, as well as assassinating terrorist leaders) and others I don't (using Mossad to influence other governments and bulldozing settlements), but then again we in Australia don't face the unique challenges and situations they face on a daily basis, so who am I to be critical of how they do things?

On a personal note, I had the opportunity to visit Israel in 2000 and really enjoyed it, took on Jerusalem and some of the surrounding areas, even managed to check out the West Bank (that was before the Intifada started up again). Lovely country, so full of history and antiquity. People were friendly, both Jews and Arabs.


BinQasim - October 25, 2004 03:34 PM (GMT)
I have a question for all people who think Israel is right.

What you call people of India who fought for independence?

zidane_Fan - October 25, 2004 03:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BinQasim @ Oct 25 2004, 09:04 PM)
I have a question for all people who think Israel is right.

What you call people of India who fought for independence?

Hey qasim,

Well I know whats on ur mind..I'll say 'freedom fighters' and you'll say that palestinians are the same..but dun u know that israelis are also fighting for their existance...

BinQasim - October 25, 2004 03:57 PM (GMT)
But mate Israel occupied the country Palestinians were there before they came.

So british did the same thing but India fought and got bacjk the land and Now palestinians are trying same thing then you call them terrorist.

Clear your mind mate.

Archangel - October 25, 2004 05:12 PM (GMT)
Israel is a bastard state that doesnt deserve to exist and neither deserves any respect for its violation of human rights
and it won that war through sheer american muscle
they lost plenty of territory afterwards

zidane_Fan - October 25, 2004 05:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Archangel @ Oct 25 2004, 10:42 PM)
Israel is a bastard state that doesnt deserve to exist and neither deserves any respect for its violation of human rights
and it won that war through sheer american muscle
they lost plenty of territory afterwards

Cool down mate...Israel is a small state with a small population, it needs to defend itself, coz a series of big terrorist attacks can acutally destroy its existance...It has the right to self defence...But I agree that they shouldnt attack innocent palestinians (those not involved in terrorist activities)..


BinQasim - October 25, 2004 05:29 PM (GMT)
You didn't answer my Q? zidane

zidane_Fan - October 25, 2004 05:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BinQasim @ Oct 25 2004, 10:59 PM)
You didn't answer my Q? zidane

Wat qeus? I already answered that mate..

BinQasim - October 25, 2004 06:02 PM (GMT)
Why don't they leave the area? Why they occupied it and made palestinians homeless?

Why??? Only solution I see is they should hand over the state to Palestinians.

And they are still doing the same thing.........occupying as much as they can

And you like this country, Zidane?

OZGOD - October 26, 2004 03:49 AM (GMT)

I think we may be getting a bit simplistic with the Israel "right to exist" issue. This issue goes all the way back to pre-Roman times, pre-Biblical times. People have been fighting over that patch of land since 1000BC. It's been occupied by Israelites, Egyptians, Palestinians, Romans, Byzantines, Seljuks, Ottomans and British. Nobody in that region has ever given up ground willingly, ever, they've had to be removed by force. Such a tiny patch of land that has seen so much blood shed. Small wonder it's going to take something short of forever to fix it, I reckon.

zidane_Fan - October 26, 2004 10:00 AM (GMT)
Yeah OZ...I dun think the bloodshed is going to be over in the near future...Neither side is willing to bow down, so what can we expect apart from more blood?

Just saw the Israeli attacks on the palestinian camps...Why do they do all this, this is certainly not needed...

chennai_cheetah - October 26, 2004 11:02 AM (GMT)
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Hey cheetah, I have read somewhere that Israel fended off three islamic nations at once, at war...Jordan + 2 more..Is it right? I know they are brave people, but three nations! Thats mindblowing..


It is not just 3 countries. Upon independence, Israel was invaded by the armies of six Arab nations: Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (later Jordan), Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. In addition, local Arab Palestinian forces also fought the Jewish Israelis. It is 6 countries who have avenged to wipe out Israel from World Map and invaded israel not just 1 time. 4 times. Apart from these 6 countries, there are around 22 Arab nations in the Middle East and North Africa who have lent material, moral & diplamatic support to these 6 countries. Whenever they got chance, they didn't fail to attack this tiny nation. But, Israel, the chosen people of God, has defeated the Arabs everytime and occupied 3 times of her land. They are tiny, but they have power of Eagle, determination of a Lion, Wisdom of a fox to hunt down any enemies in the world eventhough they are just almost negligible 0.1% of population in the world.

chennai_cheetah - October 26, 2004 11:05 AM (GMT)
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Yeah OZ...I dun think the bloodshed is going to be over in the near future...Neither side is willing to bow down, so what can we expect apart from more blood?

Just saw the Israeli attacks on the palestinian camps...Why do they do all this, this is certainly not needed...


Are these palestinians innocent? Everyday they launch suicide attacks on Israel and kill innocent people.

Palestinians and other Arab nations have to understand one thing. Land of Israel is the promised land to descendants of Israel by the God. During the biblical Era, Jewish God(God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob) has promised this land to israelis through moses when they were living as slaves in Egypt for 400 years. God has redeemed israelis from this slavery and led the people miraculously in the desert and sea and given those promised land to Israelis. Even muslims who believe in God of Abraham knows this. Israelis have lived in that land for thousands of years.

So, the best solution is Palestinians and other Arabs should give up their claim over the land of israel, as they have no right to claim. They should learn to live in the land what they have now. They can't win over Israel as they are blessed by divine power. Israel - Simply Unstoppable !!!

mustufa - October 26, 2004 01:23 PM (GMT)
yes..the plaestenians attack them just like the hindues and muslims atatcked the bristish when they occupied there land...............

Its quite ridiculous to say that Israel have done this alone..The great hand of the americans have made the mexist ...otherwise they would have been wiped offf.

I am not concerned whether who is right and who is wrong....the fact is that people of Israel....have been moving around the world for ages...reason being their ideology does not match up with anyone....where ever they go they start buying property and enforcing government level decisions by money and power, and in palestenian case occupy the territory...they are people.who have stirred up problems all over the world...........

American jews have more or less settled down and made this there home.............but I won't be wrong if in the long term they are thinking to buy every resource in the states and finaly show the christians that they are better then them.........

Hitler was quite brutal towards them.....................they came out of there and made america there home.....lets see if someone throw them out of here because of there strange behavior on occasions ...where will they go.....perhaps India. A growing economy..somewhere to land there feet and claim the land.

cheers

BinQasim - October 26, 2004 04:57 PM (GMT)
I have only one question......cheetah

Do you remember any muslim ruler behaving like Israelis doing to other party??

Name one for me......

zidane_Fan - October 26, 2004 05:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (chennai_cheetah @ Oct 26 2004, 04:35 PM)
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Yeah OZ...I dun think the bloodshed is going to be over in the near future...Neither side is willing to bow down, so what can we expect apart from more blood?

Just saw the Israeli attacks on the palestinian camps...Why do they do all this, this is certainly not needed...


Are these palestinians innocent? Everyday they launch suicide attacks on Israel and kill innocent people.

Palestinians and other Arab nations have to understand one thing. Land of Israel is the promised land to descendants of Israel by the God. During the biblical Era, Jewish God(God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob) has promised this land to israelis through moses when they were living as slaves in Egypt for 400 years. God has redeemed israelis from this slavery and led the people miraculously in the desert and sea and given those promised land to Israelis. Even muslims who believe in God of Abraham knows this. Israelis have lived in that land for thousands of years.

So, the best solution is Palestinians and other Arabs should give up their claim over the land of israel, as they have no right to claim. They should learn to live in the land what they have now. They can't win over Israel as they are blessed by divine power. Israel - Simply Unstoppable !!!

Nicely said...Every word is as true as it can be.... :thumbsup:

mustufa - October 26, 2004 06:34 PM (GMT)
hohohoho.................great Israel is such good at this...like zid and cheetah said...why not handle india's security over to Israel. they will do a much better job. And probably invade pakistan and bangladesh...like india never thought abt it. But i am sure israel can help out.

cheers

Archangel - October 26, 2004 07:47 PM (GMT)
israelis the chosen ones...ha ha ha.....we all saw what they did to moses after he went up on mount saini to recieve the ten commandements
if u want to start a religious debate
im all words B)
im not saying what hitler did was right but the jews control all the media and they took over the land of the palestinians.......they are the ones who commit all the atrocities and yet appear so innocent when a few of their kids die....they kill kids everyday
suicide bombings just demonstrate the desperation of the palestinians to rid themselves of the israelis
and besides jews have been kicked out of so many places and do u know what is refered to as the golden era of judaism
MUSLIM SPAIN

pakistani2004 - October 27, 2004 06:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (zidane_Fan @ Oct 25 2004, 07:05 PM)
LOL! Hey is that what you mean...Write full sentences buddy.....ALWAYS

Brave LOL!
controling my tounge mate, once open will not stop.....

zidane_Fan - October 27, 2004 08:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (pakistani2004 @ Oct 27 2004, 12:27 PM)
Brave LOL!
controling my tounge mate, once open will not stop.....

Is that a threat paki? I am really scared... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

chennai_cheetah - October 27, 2004 10:55 AM (GMT)
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yes..the plaestenians attack them just like the hindues and muslims atatcked the bristish when they occupied there land...............


That is the Arab Propaganda. You have to understand the fact here. Israelis have not occupied the land. The Israelites began to return from all over the world to their ancient homeland in the mid-1800s. They bought land at horribly inflated prices in this region. It was a land virtually without people and vegetation. Against all odds they began to reclaim the land that had become a total desolation of eroded rocky hills, arid deserts and malaria ridden swamps. As more israelis come, israelis started to use the land effectively and make it as a wealthy, properous land.

Because of their success, migrant Muslim workers from surrounding countries began to come and work for the Israelis. But the more successful they became, the more the Muslim clerics became alarmed. They began to sound the battle cry, “The Jews are stealing our land.”

With the liberation of the Middle East in World War 1, the Muslim nations began to flood more migrant workers and terrorists into Palestine in order to contest the Jewish presence. The declaration of the State of Israel in 1948 became the final insult.

The United Arab armies of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Libya ordered all of the migrant workers in Palestine to leave until they drove the Israelis into the sea. They were promised that it would only be a few weeks until they could return and take over all the hated Jews had built.

Again, against all odds, the rag-tag, poorly equipped Israelis defeated their combined armies. One of the biggest lies of history is that these former migrant workers are somehow an ancient people with centuries of ties to the land of Palestine. There has never been a Palestinian race, people or nation.

When Jordan controlled the so called West Bank and Egypt controlled Gaza from 1948 to 1967, there was never any thought of giving the “Palestinians” a state. It is because these Muslim nations knew the truth—they are not an historic people to whom the land belonged.

On the other hand, the “Palestinian” people have been horribly mistreated by their fellow Muslims who use them as pawns in their effort to obliterate the nation of Israel.

Hindus and Muslims(Converted Hindus) have lived in India for more than 5000 years. Palestinians are not. Jews are the actual inhabitants lived for thousands of years in their promised land by God.

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Palestine - The Big Lie

"The West Bank is occupied Palestinian land." This phrase is frequently repeated, as a given, by all the governments of the world and by the entire  news media.

This idea that the West Bank is occupied Palestinian land has been accepted by almost everyone. Yet it is, in fact, the greatest lie ever perpetrated on  the whole of humanity.  If you think this is an outlandish statement, please read on and decide for yourself.

Palestinians claim that Palestine is their land, and that Jerusalem is their  capital, and that Israel is occupying their land. To resist occupation, they  assert the right to send suicide bombers into crowded bus stations, pizza  parlors, etc., and kill innocent men, women and children.  And all Arab and  Muslim countries support them in their claims and actions against Israel.

Because of this alleged occupation of Palestinian land by Israel, because of  this alleged crime committed against their Palestinian brothers, all Arabs  hate Israel and want to destroy it.

To anyone who is familiar with the facts, and has an objective eye, all this  must be fascinating because never before has a complete lie, on such a  large scale, been so successful.

First, if Arab animosity toward Israel is based on their love and support for  their Palestinian brothers and in wanting their Palestinian brothers to  have their own state, where was that love and support before the Jewish  state existed?  Where were they when the kingdom of Jordan ruled Palestine?  Why  were they not accusing Jordan of occupying Palestinian land?  Why did not the  Arab world and the United Nations call on Jordan to stop occupying  Palestinian land?  Second, where were the Palestinians themselves, with all their grievances and claims, when Jordan occupied the whole West Bank, including Jerusalem?

Did you know that? Did you know that for 19 years, Jordan occupied and ruled  the whole West Bank, including Jerusalem? Why didn't they clamor for a  Palestinian state then?

All this time, did we hear a word about Palestine being occupied by the kingdom of Jordan? Did we hear anything about a Palestinian state? Or about  Jerusalem being the capital of Palestine?

No, we did not.

Why not?

Because there never existed a Palestinian state.

And in the entire history of nations, Jerusalem was never the capital of any  country other than that of ancient Israel and modern Israel. So how can  there be a claim on Jerusalem as the capital of a state that never existed?

One of the problems here is that so few people know the history of the world.  Hence, lies and more lies, repeated often enough, are assumed to be facts.

I have heard many scholars, including an Arab journalist, question the very notion of a Palestinian people.  What, they ask, makes a people? Well, there  are four elements that define a people: language, religion, culture and  cuisine. For example, the Chinese and Japanese are both Oriental. Still, they  are two different peoples, because they each have a different language, a  different religion, a different culture and a different cuisine.

The Palestinians speak the same language, follow the same religion, manifest  the same culture and eat the same cuisine as all other Arabs. They are  really Arabs who happen to live in a region called Palestine.

Palestine is not and never was the name of a country, or the name of a people.

It is the name of a region.  Just like Siberia is a region, not a country.  There is no Siberian country, nor is there a Siberian people. It is a  region. Just like the Sahara is a region, not a country. There is no Saharan country, nor is there a Saharan people. The Arabs living in that region are Libyans, Moroccans, etc. It is a region.

Because Palestine is a region, not a country, England was able to carve out half of it and give it to the Arabs living on the other side of the Jordan  River and call it the kingdom of Jordan. Because Palestine is a region, the  United Nations was able to divide the rest of it between the Jews and the Arabs  living there. Had the Arabs accepted the United Nations resolution, there  would have been a
newly created Arab state called Palestine. Instead, they  rejected the United Nations compromise and went to war to destroy Israel. They lost the war. Hence, no Palestinian state.

Here are some cold facts:

King David built the city of Jerusalem, and King Solomon, David's son, built  the holy temple. This commonwealth of Israel lasted for a thousand years.  There was only one break, when, 400 years after King David, the Babylonian  invaders occupied the land for 70 years. Then, with the help of Cyrus the Great  of Persia, yes, Persia, Israel came back to the land, rebuilt the temple and ruled for another 600 years.

Then, the Romans came and ruled the land, then the Crusaders ruled the land,  then the Ottoman Empire ruled the land, then the British Empire ruled the  land, then Israel returned to its homeland and built a modern Jewish state.  It was never, repeat, never a Palestinian state.

So what is all this talk about occupied Palestinian land?

They certainly have a right to live there freely and happily. Nobody wants to  move them away from their land. But from where comes the right for a  Palestinian state? Is it because they live there?

Imagine if the Mexican American community in California, whose numbers are greater than the number of Palestinians in the West Bank, decides tomorrow  to claim that the United States is occupying their land, because they live  there and they want their own Mexican state. Imagine if, when the U.S.  government says, "No, you can live here, but you cannot have sovereignty,  you cannot have your own state," they start sending suicide bombers,  shooters, mortars, etc. into the rest of the country. What do you think would happen?

This is precisely why there was never any suggestion of a Palestinian state, not under the Romans, not under the Crusaders, not under the Turks, not  under the English and not under the Arab kingdom of Jordan until after Israel was again established in its homeland.

I believe it is the big lie of our generation, and we are all buying into it.


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Its quite ridiculous to say that Israel have done this alone..The great hand of the americans have made the mexist ...otherwise they would have been wiped offf.

I am not concerned whether who is right and who is wrong....the fact is that people of Israel....have been moving around the world for ages...reason being their ideology does not match up with anyone....where ever they go they start buying property and enforcing government level decisions by money and power, and in palestenian case occupy the territory...they are people.who have stirred up problems all over the world...........

American jews have more or less settled down and made this there home.............but I won't be wrong if in the long term they are thinking to buy every resource in the states and finaly show the christians that they are better then them.........

Hitler was quite brutal towards them.....................they came out of there and made america there home.....lets see if someone throw them out of here because of there strange behavior on occasions ...where will they go.....perhaps India. A growing economy..somewhere to land there feet and claim the land.


Not because of their ideology does not match up with anyone. They did sin against God and got punished and scattered around the world.
But, God said through various prophets that he will regroup all the jews and build the israel again. According to biblical prophecies,

Zechariah 13

8 And it shall come to pass in all the land," Says the LORD, "That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one- third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The LORD is my God.' "

In Ezekiel 37

12 "Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

14 "I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the LORD, have spoken it and performed it," says the LORD.' "

21 "Then say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;

22 "and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all;"

26 "Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore.

27 "My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

28 "The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore." ' "

In Exodus 33:1-3:

"Then the LORD said to Moses, "Leave this place, you and the people you brought up out of Egypt, and go up to the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, saying, 'I will give it to your descendants. I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites".

This prophecy is partly fulfilled and partly yet to be fulfilled. What do you say for this God's prophecies? It is God's Plan that Israel would be punished but regrouped and blessed again as a Nation. No one can change it.

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"Its quite ridiculous to say that Israel have done this alone..The great hand of the americans have made the mexist ...otherwise they would have been wiped offf."


hahaha...eventhough Americans support, it is not easy to live as a country in the middle of 22 Arab enemy countries. Eventhough amercians provide only material help, It is not easy to defeat 6 countries in each war in that tiny land. It is the people of israels who fought the war in the war field. Not americans. Above all, They have much bigger divine support than americans help. That's why i confidently say they are unbeatable. Even now, It is just a matter of days for Tiny Israel to wipe out 600 times big Arab land within a week.

zidane_Fan - October 27, 2004 11:03 AM (GMT)
Excellent post Cheetah.....I too havent heard or read about any country named 'palestine'.......

Theres nothing like Palestine...This the reality which most muslims will not accept coz they regard this a religious issue...I cant understand why do muslims want to convert every land they live in, into a separate nation...Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Bosnia and many more...I am not offending Islam, the religion, coz religion never teaches hatred, but its the mindset of some select people that need to go away....They should accept that people from all faiths have the right to live.....

BinQasim - October 27, 2004 11:04 AM (GMT)
I think cheetah does not have an answer????

chennai_cheetah - October 27, 2004 11:53 AM (GMT)
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I have only one question......cheetah

Do you remember any muslim ruler behaving like Israelis doing to other party??

Name one for me......



Hi BinQuasim, I feel pity on your ignorance. I am surprised how far the muslim children in muslim countries are brainwashed to believe that whatever muslims are doing is right, muslims are innocent always and other community people are always bad. Because of lack of freedom of speech in muslim countries, a common muslim couldn't understand what is the actual problem and they are made to believe by their undemocratic government that they are 100% right.

If you are ready to believe me, i will list down all the atrocities done by muslim rulers in Mother India.

1. Most of the Mugul rules were cruel on India and killed many people, imposed Jiyza tax on non-muslims, forcibly converted many people to islam, destroyed thousands of temples. An arab barbarian named Aurangazeeb destroyed thousands of temples.

2. Turks, Afgans, Arab muslims invaded india many times and looted India. Gazni Mohammed invaded 17 times and looted India.

3. In 1971, Paki Army killed 20 lakh Bengalis(mostly Hindus) in East Pakistan.



chennai_cheetah - October 27, 2004 12:05 PM (GMT)
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"israelis the chosen ones...ha ha ha.....we all saw what they did to moses after he went up on mount saini to recieve the ten commandements"


No doubt about that. Look at their acheievement in Science, Technology, Agriculture, Medicines, Defence. Simply awesome ! They are just 0.3% in the world population. But, jews are 18% of Nobel prize winners including famous Albert Einstein.

Out of more than 720 prizes awarded since 1901, more than 130, or about 18 percent, have gone to Jewish laureates. Jews have won almost three times the number of awards won by either Germany or France (including their Jewish winners), and 10 times those won by Japan. Jews comprise only 0.3 to 0.5 percent of the world's population.

[533] Paul Ehrlich -- Nobel prize for descovering a treatment for syphilis.
[534] Albert Einstein -- The most famous and influential scientist of all time
[400] Richard Feynman -- 'The greatest scientific mind since World War II '
[138] Roald Hoffmann -- Nobel prize winner in Chemistry: field of electronic structures
[119] Lev Landau -- Soviet physicist, Nobel Prize in Physics 1962
[128] Aaron Klug -- Nobel prize winner in Chemistry, for work on X-ray analysis of biomolecules
[64] Rita Levi-Montalcini -- winner of the Nobel Prize for her work on Nerve Growth factor (with Stanley Cohen)
[89] Elie Wiesel -- Jewish author: 'Night', winner of the Nobel Prize for Peace
[76] Niels Bohr -- Nobel prize-winning Physicist: atomic structure
[62] Milton Friedman -- Recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics
[54] Yitzhak Rabin -- Prime Minister of Israel - Worker for Peace' Chief of Staff in Six Day War
[42] Franco Modigliani -- Italian-born economist, 1985 Nobel Laureate in Economics: saving and financial markets
[48] Isaac Bashevis Singer -- Author, Nobel Prize-winner for Literature
[51] Nadine Gordimer -- South African novelist, Nobel prize-winner in Literature
[45] Martin Perl -- Nobel prize winner in Physics: discoverer of the Tau Lepton
[23] Shimon Peres -- Israel's Labor party leader
[16] Albert Michelson -- Nobel Prize for Physics 1907
[29] Elie Metchnikoff -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, studied immunity in infectious diseases
[29] Arno Penzias -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, studied interstellar isotopes
[28] Henri Bergson -- Author/Philosopher, Nobel prize for Literature
[23] Hans Bethe -- Nobel Prize in Physics in 1967
[17] Selman Waksman -- Microbiologist, 1952 Nobel Prize winner in physiology and medicine
[17] Joseph Brodsky -- Nobel Prize winner in literature, most famous modern poet
[21] John Harsanyi -- Winner of the Nobel prize in Economics: studied utilitarian ethics
[11] Paul Samuelson -- Nobel Prize in Economics (first ever)
[17] David Baltimore -- Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine
[18] Shmuel Yosef Agnon -- Israeli writer, winner of the 1966 Nobel Prize: 'The Bridal Canopy'; `A Guest for the Night'
[19] Isaac Bashevis Singer -- 1978 Nobel Laureate in Literature: 'Enemies : A Love Story', 'The Golem', 'Meshugah'
[18] Claude Cohen-Tannoudji -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, developed laser-cooling technology
[18] Baruch Blumberg -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: field of epidemiology
[9] Fritz Haber -- winner of the Nobel Prize of Chemistry in 1918, for the synthesis of ammonia from its elements
[9] Georges Charpak -- won the Nobel Prize in Physics 1992 for his particle detector
[17] Bernard Katz -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, studied neuromuscular transmission
[17] Stanley Cohen -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, for work in experimental embryology
[16] Cesar Milstein -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: field of immunology
[15] Howard Temin -- 1975 Nobel Prize in Medicine
[16] Elias Canetti -- Bulgarian born essayist and novelist who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1981
[11] George WALD -- Nobel Price in Medicine for work contributing to our understanding of vision.
[8] Tadeus Reichstein -- Nobel Prize for Medicine 1950
[13] Saul Bellow -- Canadian born novelist and Nobel Prize winner for lietature
[15] Stanley Prusiner -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: for the discovery of Prions, infectious proteins
[13] Joseph Goldstein -- Nobel prize in Medicine
[13] Murray Gell-Mann -- Nobel prize in physics 1969. Introduced 'quarks'.
[14] Andrew Schally -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: field of endocrinology
[14] Hermann Muller -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine: for work on biological effects of radiation
[14] Joshua Lederberg -- Nobel prize winner in Medicine, discovered viral transduction
[14] David Lee -- Nobel prize winner in Physics: for work on superfluidity
[14] Jack Steinberger -- Nobel Prize winner in Physics, 1988
[13] Nelly Sachs -- Poet, winner of the Nobel prize in Literature
[11] Isidor Rabi -- Nobel prize in physics in 1944
[12] Paul Johann Ludwig Heyse -- Nobel prize winner in Literature, 1830-1914
[12] Harold Kroto -- Nobel prize-winner in Chemistry, discoverer of C60
[12] Herbert Brown -- Nobel prize winner in Chemistry: for his work in the borane-organoborane area
[12] Daniel Nathans -- Nobel prize in Medicine: for restriction analysis of Simian Virus 40 DNA
[12] Simon Kuznets -- Nobel prize winner in Economics
[12] Reinhard Selten -- Nobel prize winner in Economics: for work on 'game equilibrium models'
[12] Douglas Osheroff -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, for work in superfluidity
[12] Herbert Simon -- Nobel prize winner in Economics: for work on decision-making
[12] Jack Steinberger -- Particle Physicist, winner of the Nobel Prize
[12] Leon Lederman -- Nobel prize winner in Physics, 1988

Most than half of tiny israel's land is desert. But, still they export Fruits and vegetables to other countries. They are the 4th largest sophisticated hi-tech arms exporter in the world. All these things shows they have unequivocal God's support.


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"and besides jews have been kicked out of so many places and do u know what is refered to as the golden era of judaism"


Jews were punished by God himself, because of their sins against God. But, merciful God, who had promised Abraham, Issac, Jacob to give the land to israelis said through various prophets that I would punish israel, but i will be merciful, i will regroup them as a nation. (read my reply to mustufa).

mustufa - October 27, 2004 01:15 PM (GMT)

I am more surprised that which ever country hates Muslims Indiais with them.

Its not an issue of education here cheetah...if it was Muslims will loose by the biggest margin there is in the wolrd...but the topic is abt what is going on in Isreal...So if Jews have won more nobel prizes there are justified to commit attrocities....and since palestinians have not won nobel prizes they are justified to be oppressed.......................Is it not bad enough for the jews that there population all over the world is decreasing and in states it in rapid decline.......................hardly 50%jews here believe in the ideology that jews follow...........HAlf of the 15% in states will be christian in less then 100 years.......

who would be there to defend israel.............african immigrants(with all due respect)?.....

After committing all what israel has done.........I don't say that they have done everything wrong...one is totally justified in defending his country........but israel thinks they are the US..........and they can do what US does.....They keep copying every move that US makes......First of all if they are good enough they have to make there own land save......lets talk about their religion and what they do.........Fundamental Jews hate muslims.....and if u get an experience of one u will know....They say it out loud...not behind closed doors. Hitler did the same to them........

They never had the opportunity to convert that hate into physical actions but israel has allowed them. In the name of defending there country they occupied land...which did not belong to them and UNO concurs.......... whatever history u want to quote u can....but in some part of history.......there were no hundus too.....so I cannot just come and say ohh billions of years ago i lived here.....let me take it back now..........where the hell were u all this time. is the question.

And yesterday ariel Sharon himself talked abt moving out west bank and gaza...so i guess...its gonna happen..and for if it takes palestine to sacrifice more...they will............Its not a question of religion...or education or anything else...its a basic right to live that plestinians are after...and they will get it.

cheer

BinQasim - October 27, 2004 01:49 PM (GMT)
A reply to Cheetah's post:

1. Can you name those most of mogul emperors.......

Babar-the newcomer who was busy establishing his own emperor and fighting against Lodhi
Humayun-drawn away from India by Sher Shah Suri
Akbar-married a rajput lady
Jahangir & Shahjahan- who added so much to Indian architecture
Bahadur Shah Zafar- who fought british gov

And Aurangzeb is controversial for you but for us and some hindus he was the one who preserved hindu's rights as no one did from his ancestors.

2. Mahmood attacked that was war of two religions. there is lesson for you to learn about your methodology.

3. This last question I don't know and request pakis brothers to answer it.

4. And what are you trying to say by showing Jews won so many Nobel Prizes.......

Cheers!!!

zidane_Fan - October 27, 2004 04:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (mustufa @ Oct 27 2004, 06:45 PM)
I am more surprised that which ever country hates Muslims Indiais with them.

Its not an issue of education here cheetah...if it was Muslims will loose by the biggest margin there is in the wolrd...but the topic is abt what is going on in Isreal...So if Jews have won more nobel prizes there are justified to commit attrocities....and since palestinians have not won nobel prizes they are justified to be oppressed.......................Is it not bad enough for the jews that there population all over the world is decreasing and in states it in rapid decline.......................hardly 50%jews here believe in the ideology that jews follow...........HAlf of the 15% in states will be christian in less then 100 years.......

who would be there to defend israel.............african immigrants(with all due respect)?.....

After committing all what israel has done.........I don't say that they have done everything wrong...one is totally justified in defending his country........but israel thinks they are the US..........and they can do what US does.....They keep copying every move that US makes......First of all if they are good enough they have to make there own land save......lets talk about their religion and what they do.........Fundamental Jews hate muslims.....and if u get an experience of one u will know....They say it out loud...not behind closed doors. Hitler did the same to them........

They never had the opportunity to convert that hate into physical actions but israel has allowed them. In the name of defending there country they occupied land...which did not belong to them and UNO concurs.......... whatever history u want to quote u can....but in some part of history.......there were no hundus too.....so I cannot just come and say ohh billions of years ago i lived here.....let me take it back now..........where the hell were u all this time. is the question.

And yesterday ariel Sharon himself talked abt moving out west bank and gaza...so i guess...its gonna happen..and for if it takes palestine to sacrifice more...they will............Its not a question of religion...or education or anything else...its a basic right to live that plestinians are after...and they will get it.

cheer

Hey qasim,
Look mate, lets not make this a religious issue...What we are saying is correct..But what you are saying is entirely biased..(No offence meant brother)..

You see the world with the glasses of Islam on...Remove them and then see, you'll see the difference..

U can see the atrocities of others, but you cannot see the atrocities comitted by Muslims..why is it brother?

You know wherever Muslims are, problems come uninvited....Lemme give you an example...In UP (a state of india), there was this huge hindu-muslim riot...why did it start? Coz the municipal body was demolishing all structures just to make way for a flyover...They demolished 11 temples, but when they started demolishing the only mosque (that was in their way) muslims pelted them with stones, and a group of them kidnapped a 4 year old hindu child..the child was cut in 4 pieces & thrown on the road...I dun wanna say anymore...

Israel are a small nation surrounded by enemies from everywhere, what else do you expect them to do? IMO they are absolutely right , and must continue with their process of self-defence...

No offence meant to anyone or to any religion....

Cheers :thumbsup:

mustufa - October 27, 2004 05:18 PM (GMT)
don't worry abt offending us dude.....there is enough out there...... they are use to it now...about the child...there are hundred more examples of what israelies did to palestenians....and I don't have to quote them to get the point across....glasses of islam u said....I am stilll sure u have not a single idea what pakistan is...u see it with the glasses put on to u by ur media...and thats it........

Cheetah keeps writing about brain washing us at schools......that is absurd.......I am 100% with u when u talk abt madarsas and whatever...but not schools......never...that does not happen....zip..period.

U don't like us...it is as simple as that..............and I am no religious person...infact I am quite the opposite...Muslims are wrong and its there fault they are in such a position...but what israel did is also wrong and there ae two ways abt it.

cheers

BinQasim - October 27, 2004 05:49 PM (GMT)
Hey Zidane, the example you gave does not reflect islam or muslims. Islam PROHIBTS such acts of violence so be cool.

And I agree what Mustafa said that we are wrong but I would like to add a word here. We are wrong NOW. I mean to say we were not wrong because we stopped following true islam that brought us to this situation.

BinQasim - October 27, 2004 06:34 PM (GMT)
A reply to Cheetah's long post:

Everything you said is true.......jews are ancient people......but they left by their will
.........in our case jews didn't buy land they occupied it..........

And for your info Palestine was there even when Muslims first entered the land.
It was called Phalestin and the whole area from egypt to Iraq and from Turkey to Arab was called Sham.

When british came they used their same policy divide and rule. And they divided Sham into the countries that exist now there like Jordan, Lebnan and Syria.

For Jews, It is not all about religion or they care about their ancestors land.It is all trading. See the position of that area. from europe you can have really easy access to Asia and China. Don't need to make a round around Africa. It all affects their economy and l the land their is arable.

And you said about brain washing, to increase your knowledge I would say even in Islam Allah orders us to use our brains and follow what you are following. It is clearly written in Quran and we do the same thing.

mustang - October 27, 2004 08:26 PM (GMT)
hey..chill down your tempers here..
You Need both the hands to clap..so whatever is happening in israel, both the parties are responsible, else the problem would not have continued for so long.

if all the people in this world believes that one party is guilty, then the other party will be wiped off.

now coming to so queries

1. Why US supports israel? what are its interests? If muslim countries hate israel, then why dont they hate USA too? Is it commerce or fear of muscle that they become physcopants in front of USA?

Jews have their own religion, but they are the only people in this world who do not have a country. Almost every country ill-treated them. Why no one had soft corner for these people when they were literally butchered by hitler and Russians????

Recent history tells us that arabs or anyone for that matter never fought for that piece of land till it was cultivated and tilted for residential use. It was more or less a barren land with desert and no water at all. Why Didnt palestine people fought for it then?

It was started after 1965 or so, after israeli people cultivated that land that palestine people started claiming.

If palestine people claim it as their own and assuming that they are given, where do these jewish people go? any idea for anyone??????

I think the only way is co-existance but their religion ideologies are so contrasting that it is making their lives a hell.

leaving the problem aside, Other countries has to learn a lot from this nation.
They have Mozzad: Best secret agency in the world.
They have the best irrigation methods for cultivation using optimal usage of water in the barren land. technology can be used in countries where water scarcity is a problem.

cheers
mustang




zidane_Fan - October 28, 2004 09:24 AM (GMT)
Nice post mustang... :thumbsup:

Look guys, there are a lot of muslim nations on the globe, EXCLUSIVELY for muslims..But theres just one for jew, and that too so so tiny...So what more can ya expect them to do? They need to protect the little land they have, or where will they go?

Please understand this....

chennai_cheetah - October 28, 2004 10:24 AM (GMT)
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"Everything you said is true.......jews are ancient people......but they left by their will..."


Left by their will ? What a great ignorance?

One prophecy that occurs again and again in the Bible's Old Testament is the prophecy of the people of Israel being scattered to all nations. Certainly this has happened. The northern ten tribes were taken into captivity by Assyrians around 712 BC. The other two tribes were taken captive by the Babylonians around 606 BC. Only a small fraction of the Jews returned from Babylon to resettle the land of Israel in 536 BC. But the biggest blow came in 70 AD when Titus of Rome attacked Jerusalem, destroying the city and the temple. The Jews that were not killed were scattered into all nations.

Leviticus 26:33-38 says, "And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste. Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths. As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it. And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth. And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies. And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up."

Deuteronomy 28:64-67 says, "And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; ..."

One only needs to look up "Jews" in any encyclopedia for details the long history of persecution, massacre, and expulsion from various countries. Hitler's murder of 6,000,000 was not an isolated event, but part of a 2000 year trend. For example, thousands of Jews were massacred during the time of the Crusades (1000-1300 AD). Persecution of Jews was the norm as all Jews were considered partakers in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. In the 14th century the plague known as the Black Death swept through Europe killing about one fourth of the population. Jews were often massacred as a result of the accusation that they spread the disease by poisoning water supplies. In 1492, all Jews were expelled from Spain, as was the case in Portugal just five years later. And there is much, much more.

Israel to be regathered

Just as the scattering of the people of Israel was prophesied, the Bible also prophesied that the people of Israel would be regathered to the land of Israel.

"... the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee" (Deuteronomy 30:3).

"... Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel" (Ezekiel 17:11).

All these prophecies are being fulfilled in these days.

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".........in our case jews didn't buy land they occupied it.........."


It is the propaganda of arabs widely floated around in muslim countries that Jews are occupiers.

The Jews bought their land from absentee landlords, in many cases. The Jews did not dispossess an Arab nation of their flourishing homeland - they rejuvenated their Promised Land which had lain waste during their exile. They legitimately immigrated to the area when it was sparsely populated and bought land and settled it and made it prosperous. Most of the "Palestinians" moved in later to share the prosperity created by the returning Jews. Palestinians who speak frankly will tell you that it is better to work for Jews than for Arabs.

The Jewish settlements have been established only on:

Land in pre-existing Jewish communities, or Land that was unowned (that is, was previously controlled by Jordan and had no private owner), or Land purchased from established owners.

The propagandistic idea of Palestinian Arabs being "forced out" is not the case. Much land was still empty or underutilized. Many Jews bought the land or dwelling they moved to. When public land was involved, Israeli settlements were established only after an exhaustive investigation process, under the supervision of the Supreme Court of Israel, designed to ensure that no communities were established on private Arab land.

The fact is Arabains didn't like Jews from Prophet mohammed period. Jews were slaves at the time of Prophet Mohammed period in Arabia. Prophet Mohammed persecuted many jews. Now Jews have become so rich and properous which is not good in the eyes of arabians, so they want to destroy Israel at any cost. So, they use Palestinians as trump card. That's it.

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"And for your info Palestine was there even when Muslims first entered the land. It was called Phalestin and the whole area from egypt to Iraq and from Turkey to Arab was called Sham."


But, Israel was there even before palestine. Remember King David, King Solomon?
Agreed with you. There was an area called Phalestine. But, it was not a country. There was no capital for that country. It was a waste land.
Ok, in 1948 UN has recognised two Countries Israel, Palestine. But, Arab countries
rejected it? Why they rejected the UN mandate? Till now, What steps Arab countries have taken to help palestinians to create a Palestine country? Israel is 1/600 of whole arab land. Can't these Arab countries keep these 4 million palestinian refugees in their land?

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"For Jews, It is not all about religion or they care about their ancestors land.It is all trading. See the position of that area. from europe you can have really easy access to Asia and China. Don't need to make a round around Africa. It all affects their economy and l the land their is arable."


No mate, It's God's plan that Israel should be regathered. No body can change it.














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