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Jerry Garcia - February 13, 2011 11:08 PM (GMT)
You really gave Karma admin back?
Are you fuckin kidding me?
Did you not see what happened?
Not only did he BAN me from the server, (for standing up for an owner that he was talking shit about, by the way!!) but he disabled my ability to post about it on the forum.
He exibited ridiculously malicious and immature behavior.
Not to mention the dozen other complaints about him...

Seriously though, don't you want to give someone else that could be a good admin a chance?

If this is how admins are allowed to behave and keep their admin, I shouldn't complain about people playing in other servers, I should join them.

Bongwater - February 13, 2011 11:46 PM (GMT)

its a good thing we have u here jerry, to point this kind of stuff out in the most respectable manner possible.

<!>BR Owner - February 14, 2011 12:36 AM (GMT)
Jerry will have karma on the watch list and act from there as our final decision. Nothing is final yet. Thank you!

Jerry Garcia - February 14, 2011 02:32 AM (GMT)
You give someone his admin back that thinks it's ok to treat me, or anyone for that matter, the way he did and you want respect from me? :lol:

Owner, so as long as he doesn't fuck up again he's good? Kinda silly, but if you think he should be able to treat us they way he does, I guess we're outta luck.

Let me get these rules straight though...
An admin is allowed to insult an owner in a br server.
That admin is then allowed to ban someone that insults them.
Not only a ban on the server, but disable their access on the forum, so they cannot report it.

Hmmm, he must be one hell of a pivot man. :lol:

<!>bo'sdad - February 14, 2011 04:38 AM (GMT)
as I always say, you are welcome to run your server anyway you like.
nothing personal. but if the way the server is being run is so unbearable, then why not start one of your own and run it your way ?
Im not trying to be smart with you either, it just seems the logical thing to do. all the server files you could ever wantare available on exciled's list and easily down loadable. there is a link to (TE) exciled's file libary in <!> on the main page if you are interested. you could also rent a server from kamil, he has one up right now for rent.

Jerry Garcia - February 14, 2011 05:18 PM (GMT)
So there's another server for you guys to bitch about people playing in instead of br? No thanks.

I don't expect my opinion to really alter anything, but you might as well just spit in my face, if you're going to give him admin back.

It's fine, I do not need your respect, just don't expect me to be civil to any of you owners anymore.
I'm gonna take the Karma and Lunaticchic route, and just talk shit about people in the server. Obviously that is the behavior you prefer, as you have rewared both with admin.

We don't need to argue about it.
I have a complaint, this is your section for it.
You don't give a shit, case closed.

Bongwater - February 14, 2011 07:32 PM (GMT)
you are more than welcome to voice ur opinion jerry. I actually like your posts and know that u wont take my replies personally. you are someone who knows that an opinion is an opinion.

Wildwood - February 14, 2011 11:53 PM (GMT)
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Jerry Garcia - February 15, 2011 10:48 PM (GMT)
Well Bong, I used to not take anything personally, which is why we always got along just fine. We have disagreed, sure, but like you said, they are just opinions. Lately though, I have been taking everything personally and that is why I have been so pissed. Give me a break though man, it's impossible to not take this situation personally.

I have always been an honest, legitimate, and fair player. I have never caused problems or even done a single thing, in the server (I know I'm a dick on the forum), to deserve any type of administrative action. It's not like I have been around for a couple of weeks either, I have consistently been these things for years...

We got our evidence together after about the 15th time he abused someone. We think we finally have him dead to rights, with enough proof he is an abuser.... and you guys act like it never happened.
This must be how Marcia Clark felt.

Allowing people to abuse me after my years of loyally promoting fun, honest gameplay is more disrespectful than I can handle.

Wildwood - February 15, 2011 11:05 PM (GMT)
Hey Jerr I hope you didnt take what I posted personally. Most of your posts speak some truth but your representation is usually quite enjoyable for the reader.

Its a game and its the internet.....try not to let it get to you. Remember there's way more posters and players at least half our age here. I forget how to relate.

Jerry Garcia - February 15, 2011 11:20 PM (GMT)
It's cool, these forums are a great place to joke around.
Unfortunatley though, this thread kills all my desire to joke.

You are right about the kids, except the people making the decisions around here are all adults, and most of them are intelligent, which makes all this so much more frustrating.

Wild, I explained this before, before you were around, so I will repeat for you. This is my only group of internet "people" that I am a part of, so I have learned how all this works from my interactions with them. I expected things to be the same as they would in real life, hence my dissapoinment.

Bongwater - February 15, 2011 11:32 PM (GMT)
adults are also forced to accept compromise sometimes jerry, and to pick their battles.

In this particular situation, the server host (kamil) decided that he would take responsibility for Karma.
Not bo. and not me.

i have a lot of respect for Kamil and if he is willing to take on the responsibly of taking the fall if karma abuses admin then i have to respect that.

Until something actually happens im choosing to not make this an issue where a drama is caused that splits the unity of the owner admins.


I have watched u from tricon tell the entire server that u will be going out of your way to try and make Karma abuse admin on you again just to prove a point.


Its a game jerry and not every little thing needs to be an explosion of drama.

You are a massive troll and have to expect some of this.

(=SK=)Zorak - February 15, 2011 11:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Feb 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
I have watched u from tricon tell the entire server that u will be going out of your way to try and make Karma abuse admin on you again just to prove a point.

That's terrible :(

<!>BR Owner - February 16, 2011 12:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE ((=SK=)Zorak @ Feb 15 2011, 11:40 PM)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Feb 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
I have watched u from tricon tell the entire server that u will be going out of your way to try and make Karma abuse admin on you again just to prove a point.

That's terrible :(

Well thats something i never knew about but good thing we know now. Jerry your putting yourself in a hole where you will have hard time getting out of.

Scud - February 16, 2011 01:37 AM (GMT)
<<--- finds this thread hilarious

JeSuS{OZ} - February 16, 2011 06:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jerry Garcia @ Feb 15 2011, 11:20 PM)
It's cool, these forums are a great place to joke around.
Unfortunatley though, this thread kills all my desire to joke.

You are right about the kids, except the people making the decisions around here are all adults, and most of them are intelligent, which makes all this so much more frustrating.

Wild, I explained this before, before you were around, so I will repeat for you. This is my only group of internet "people" that I am a part of, so I have learned how all this works from my interactions with them. I expected things to be the same as they would in real life, hence my dissapoinment.

In all honesty, what else would you expect to happen? Think about, someone like jerry is gonna prove to himself and to others that he is right. That is just the way the shit drops.... :wave:

Jerry Garcia - February 16, 2011 10:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Feb 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
I have watched u from tricon tell the entire server that u will be going out of your way to try and make Karma abuse admin on you again just to prove a point.

You're a fuckin liar, I never said that.
I have said I'm sure he will abuse again, sicne he can't help himself. I have also said I do not respect him one bit since he did not apologize or even acknowledge that what he did was pathetic and childish.

I don't need to prove anything, I...already....fucking....did!!! It has been proven about 15 goddamn times, all of which you owners collectively chose to ignore.

If you guys want your server to be a joke, that's fine, but don't make up bullshit excuses and lies in an attempt to make a legitimate player that got abused look like the bad guy.

It's clear now how pathetic this leadership is. You keep acting like I'm the problem while you sweep the repeated abuse by your admin under the rug. I guess that is just easier than dealing with the truth.

And Owner wtf is your problem? Even if I did say that....which I didn't, it is way less offensive than actually abusing someone with admin? Yet you defend karma and say I'm digging a hole?

Jerry Garcia - February 16, 2011 10:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Feb 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
Until something actually happens im choosing to not make this an issue where a drama is caused that splits the unity of the owner admins.


Don't know how to muilti quote, anyway, this is a straight cop out. It already has happened, a bunch of times.
Just remove the admin abuse section, all it does is give us a false sense of justice.

Jerry Garcia - February 16, 2011 11:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE ((=SK=)Zorak @ Feb 15 2011, 11:40 PM)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Feb 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
I have watched u from tricon tell the entire server that u will be going out of your way to try and make Karma abuse admin on you again just to prove a point.

That's terrible :(

Once again, I didn't say that, but even if I did, how is that even fuckin close to terrible? I should be doing shit way worse to this dude.
He fuckin banned me for calling him a name, after he called someone else a name! Doesn't it make sense I would treat him like shit back? And you think that would be terrible? Pffttt, never thought I'd see the day where you stood up for an admin abuser.

Bong's lie is actually a great idea, checks and balances man, our government is based on it. Someone should test all admin, in theory, to make sure they don't lose their cool and abuse it. Although ultimately, if noone cares about people getting abused, it really doesn't matter does it?

Bongwater - February 16, 2011 12:24 PM (GMT)
Yea cause me lying is right on par with my reputation right?


And u trolling people? Noo that's just silly, Jerry would never troll someone.


*cough*


U may not have use those exact words Jerry but it was clear that's what u were implying.

Jerry Garcia - February 16, 2011 02:03 PM (GMT)
Let me quote you verbatim, Bong, from the other thread...

[Special treatment for Karmas Admin Abuse in this particular scenario would be a PR disaster. We would be hypocrites if we stand by and do nothing with an abusive admin. ]


I didn't realize I was dealing with hypocrites, now I am able to understand why logic does not apply.


Bongwater - February 16, 2011 02:12 PM (GMT)
Not my decision Jerry. I may not agree with it but I have to tolerate it. If karma abuses again then I can jump on it. But this was kamils decision. And I dont overrule him. I don't understand what u expect me to do.

Jerry Garcia - February 16, 2011 02:41 PM (GMT)
You don't have to do shit, but you could have started by explaining you didn't agree with it, instead of saying shit like I am a troll and I should expect this type of stuff, cause that only pisses me off more.

Bo said that karma got his admin back, and that Perrin lost his owner status. Then when someone asked why BROwner did that, Bo then said ALL owners vote on these issues, and that no 1 person makes a decision.

I just don't get how I turn into the bad guy for not wanting to be abused. I didn't join the server and start talking shit, that was karma and lunatic!

I am not going to sit quietly by while someone is allowed to abuse me and get away with it.
I would hope that you would think I were crazy if I did.

<!>bo'sdad - February 16, 2011 02:50 PM (GMT)
thanks jerry for beating that dead horse for the 34th time. it's been wonderful to have you here as our guest, now we're gonna take a comercial break, we'll be right back right after these announcements. our next guest is ecko and he has something wonderful to say too, STAY TUNED ! the phone lines will be open when we return to our show.
(crowd) jerry! jerry ! jerry!
:wave:

Jerry Garcia - February 16, 2011 03:12 PM (GMT)
Sorry Bo, I assumed you guys reformatted the admin system, made new rules requiring ss's and videos, and made everyone reapply for admin so that people could expect a fair and fun game experience when they joined the br server.
I didn't realize you did all of that just to allow the same poor admining to occur.... again it's my mistake for assuming.

(=SK=)Zorak - February 16, 2011 08:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jerry Garcia @ Feb 16 2011, 11:05 AM)
Once again, I didn't say that, but even if I did, how is that even fuckin close to terrible?  I should be doing shit way worse to this dude.
He fuckin banned me for calling him a name, after he called someone else a name! Doesn't it make sense I would treat him like shit back? And you think that would be terrible? Pffttt, never thought I'd see the day where you stood up for an admin abuser.

Bong's lie is actually a great idea, checks and balances man, our government is based on it. Someone should test all admin, in theory, to make sure they don't lose their cool and abuse it. Although ultimately, if noone cares about people getting abused, it really doesn't matter does it?



I don't stand up for admin abusers. Admins should be able to deal with assholes provoking them, but on the other end, provoking just for the sake of it is childish.

Like Bong said, it was Owner's decision. I don't necessarily agree with it, and I have told him so, but it's his decision and he is vouching for him. That doesn't mean Karma is back with a license to act as he did before. If he abuses admin again, he's done.

QUOTE (Jerry Garcia)
I am not going to sit quietly by while someone is allowed to abuse me and get away with it.
I would hope that you would think I were crazy if I did.


Good. Nobody expects you or any other player to stand for admin abuse. But until it happens, there's no point in bitching.

JeSuS{OZ} - February 17, 2011 07:10 AM (GMT)
^ couldnt have put it any better zorak. Look jerry i know me and you dont see eye to eye, but let me just say. I know you are a legit player. So does every other person who has played with you. Im not gonna lie you would be my first or second round pick for any team. I dont think there is one person here is not against admin abusing and its policies.

You got my respect and probably 30 other people here on this forum. Well maybe 29 now, but lets keep it at 29. Cool the posts down a bit bro..

And since i cant not be to nice to you. FU you hmer :finger:

Shadowraith - February 17, 2011 05:30 PM (GMT)
:roller:

he doesn't necessarily have that point of view of HM for other legit players.... ;P

remember jerry, you can always ask for a demo/ ss from me if ya think im' a lying. XD

Scud - February 17, 2011 07:06 PM (GMT)
dude it's way easier to talk shit than get an SS

Jerry Garcia - February 17, 2011 09:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE ((=SK=)Zorak @ Feb 16 2011, 08:38 PM)
   But until it happens, there's no point in bitching.

Dude, this sentance makes me want to strangle you, and you are my boy. :P


:picard2: IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!!!!

It's not like I report every little thing either, dude has used admin to promote his personal wishes so many fucking times...

This is very ironic. I was going to quote myself from the thread where Crow and I were talking, months ago, and I said I would turn the other cheek after karma talked a bunch of shit, challenged me to play for $, then deleted my entire thread.

However, that thread is now deleted as well. :angry: Hmm, imagine that...

What a fuckin joke, anyway the moral is, I turned the other cheek then and he has now slapped this one as well. I realize an eye for an eye makes the world blind, but it is the only remaining option I have.

I think you are all very silly for being a part of a group that conducts itself in a manner in which you do not agree. It is a bit of an exaggerated example, but it's like a jew being a nazi.


Thanks, Jesus. ;) That makes me feel better about myself for wondering lately... is this Jesus guy actually an all right guy? Until now, I thought I was just going crazy. :lol:

Bongwater - February 17, 2011 09:54 PM (GMT)
i think u need to take a break from tribes before u give urself a heart attack jerry.


Jerry Garcia - February 17, 2011 10:06 PM (GMT)
You are absolutely right dude, I have never dealt with hypocricy well.

(=SK=)Zorak - February 17, 2011 10:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jerry Garcia @ Feb 17 2011, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE ((=SK=)Zorak @ Feb 16 2011, 08:38 PM)
   But until it happens, there's no point in bitching.

Dude, this sentance makes me want to strangle you, and you are my boy. :P


:picard2: IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!!!!

It's not like I report every little thing either, dude has used admin to promote his personal wishes so many fucking times...


You haven't said anything about new abuse, you have just brought up the same thing from before.

If it already has happened again, after Karma got his admin back a few days ago, then you should be posting about that, and not about the incident a couple months ago.

You got Xfire now, if you don't feel like posting every little thing here then hit one of us up on Xfire. That way we could immediately go into the server and see what you're talking about.

:D

Jerry Garcia - February 18, 2011 09:30 PM (GMT)
I know dude, but Owner has proven that he will allow even documented cases of abuse, so obviously there is no point in reporting it. What's he gonna say the 17th time karma abuses admin?
Oh...well.. let's give him 1 more chance.... again... :stab:

Like I said, I just hope the admin complaint section gets removed, we don't need it there giving those of us with no power the false sense that those in charge care about us being treated fairly.

<!>bo'sdad - February 18, 2011 11:08 PM (GMT)
he was punished and still under probation, but thats not good enough for you. his admin was also lowered. Im not one that believes that people are only as good as there last mistake. enough is enough jerry. as I said before, you can run YOUR server anyway you like. you have never contributed to this server or foums in anyway, but you want the last word. stop acting like a spoiled child !

also, I went to admin abuse area, where are these 15 complaints against karma ???????? I dont see em at all ! just the one from you.

Jerry Garcia - February 19, 2011 11:18 PM (GMT)
Oh Bo, you are so clueless. Hahah, now he's saying karma never abused before. Man, the lengths you assholes will go to cover your stupidity and hypocricy is hilarious.

He probably deleted them along with the many posts and threads he deleted of mine, which you stellar owners apparently allow as well... :rolleyes:

If you want admins to be able to abuse, just say so. We will understand because, you're right, it is a private server. However, when you pretend to have rules and procedures to follow, but don't make the people in charge follow them, you just look silly.

<!>bo'sdad - February 19, 2011 11:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (<!>bo'sdad @ Feb 18 2011, 05:08 PM)
he was punished and still under probation, but thats not good enough for you. his admin was also lowered. Im not one that believes that people are only as good as there last mistake. enough is enough jerry. as I said before, you can run YOUR server anyway you like. you have never contributed to this server or foums in anyway, but you want the last word. stop acting like a spoiled child !

also, I went to admin abuse area, where are these 15 complaints against karma ???????? I dont see em at all ! just the one from you.

like I said, nothings ever good enough for you. you want , what you want. my last assesment was correct.
as for being clueless it's obviously, you !
as an owner I can see who changed or deleted a post with a few clicks.
posts never go away, they just arent in public view anymore.
so, that being said, did you think you had me backed into a corner with that one ?
or where you just trying to get people to believe that something like that could happen and we wouldnt know about it?






saw this on youtube, thought of this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ9c-wC6x-g&feature=fvst

Jerry Garcia - February 20, 2011 02:42 AM (GMT)
Backed into a corner? Wtf are you talking about?
Someone deleted those threads, I am sure everyone remembers my thread to Crow where we were talking about the thread that karma and I were betting in. Both threads are now deleted. Where'd they go?

Oh, well since you can see who did it, you should have no problem finding more evidence of karma's abusive ways.

For the record, you have now said that there were no other topics about karma's abuse and that he didn't erase my topics. :lol: :lol:
This topic has more insider cover up than watergate.

You are so delusional, do you even believe the shit you say?

<!>bo'sdad - February 20, 2011 03:17 AM (GMT)
nice try, :wacko: coo coo,,, coo coo

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