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Bongwater - July 5, 2011 08:00 AM (GMT)
alright lets suggest some rules that we can discuss here for me to be sure are included in the official rules.

i made the forum itself but its 4 AM and im at work so ill fill in the actual rules sometime tomorrow after i get some sleep.

Make the suggestions here and ill pick the nessesary rules to add that will be required to follow.

perrinoia - July 5, 2011 03:53 PM (GMT)
No base killing
    Do not destroy or move your teammate's deployables unless they are blocking an entrance.
No boosting
    Do not push your teammates around unless they specifically ask you for a boost or ride.
    This includes but is not limited to disking players out of an inventory station or into harms way, boosting teammates with a pitchfork at a wall or away from where they want to go, ramming teammates with a vehicle who did not request an APC pickup, etc...
No team killing
    Do not cause explosions near teammates that will injure or kill them intentionally.
No spamming
    Give others a chance to speak or a chance to vote.
    Test your new voice pack in a private or empty server.
    If your vote fails, do not start another, understand that the majority of players disagree with you, and your vote will continue to fail.
No cheating
    Please do not abuse glitches, bugs, scripts, or programs that give you an advantage over other players.
    Such cheats include Happy Mod, Auto Aim, Inventory Glitch, Repair Glitch, Stasis Glitch, Mine Glitch, Vehicle Dismount Glitch, etc...
    Please report new glitches so they may be fixed.

<!>bo'sdad - July 5, 2011 05:01 PM (GMT)
you ment forums rules , right ?
or are we talking about server rules ?


[df]Ninetails - July 5, 2011 05:07 PM (GMT)
Yes forum rules indeed.

perrinoia - July 5, 2011 05:30 PM (GMT)
Oops. My bad.

Stank - July 5, 2011 07:29 PM (GMT)
Server rules need an update as well I think. Meh.

Bongwater - July 5, 2011 08:52 PM (GMT)
ill add a section for server rules too.. but this is a forum rules.. server rules will have to be decision on and agreed on by all admins in the admin section of the forum. then kamil can give his final ok.

Ross Vernal - July 5, 2011 09:19 PM (GMT)
1. Don't be a dick

2. Don't spam except in designated locations

3. Invoking Godwin's Law means you automatically lose the argument, except Rule 5

4. Drama is for teenage girls, not Tribes players

5. Ayn Rand is a cunt - Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ayn Rand!


All the rules we need. Seriously.

Stank - July 5, 2011 10:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (perrinoia @ Jul 5 2011, 11:53 AM)
No base killing
    Do not destroy or move your teammate's deployables unless they are blocking an entrance.
No boosting
    Do not push your teammates around unless they specifically ask you for a boost or ride.
    This includes but is not limited to disking players out of an inventory station or into harms way, boosting teammates with a pitchfork at a wall or away from where they want to go, ramming teammates with a vehicle who did not request an APC pickup, etc...
No team killing
    Do not cause explosions near teammates that will injure or kill them intentionally.
No spamming
    Give others a chance to speak or a chance to vote.
    Test your new voice pack in a private or empty server.
    If your vote fails, do not start another, understand that the majority of players disagree with you, and your vote will continue to fail.
No cheating
    Please do not abuse glitches, bugs, scripts, or programs that give you an advantage over other players.
    Such cheats include Happy Mod, Auto Aim, Inventory Glitch, Repair Glitch, Stasis Glitch, Mine Glitch, Vehicle Dismount Glitch, etc...
    Please report new glitches so they may be fixed.

No dodging votes
    If a vote is in progress on you, you must await the verdict of the vote. Reconnecting will constitute a short ban.

Long chat lines
    If an automatic line of text takes up more than 2 lines- punishment

S']['U - July 5, 2011 11:11 PM (GMT)
Threadjacking another person's thread to make off-topic complaints about them is spamming and harassment.
Make your stupid complaints in your own fucking thread so I can ignore you.

Making several off-topic harassing remarks in someone else's thread is also thread-jacking and spamming.

No one speaks for anyone but themselves unless they are quoting statements that can be verified or proven in writing or screenshots.
Enough of this "I speak for everyone" crap.

Making intentional and/or malicious false statements against another person with the intent of damaging their reputation is harassment.
This includes exaggerating.

perrinoia - July 5, 2011 11:23 PM (GMT)
Good suggestion. It could have been worded differently, rather than providing a hypocritical example, though.

Stank - July 5, 2011 11:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (perrinoia @ Jul 5 2011, 07:23 PM)
Good suggestion. It could have been worded differently, rather than providing a hypocritical example, though.

nod

S']['U - July 5, 2011 11:28 PM (GMT)
post removed by me.

Bongwater - July 6, 2011 05:22 AM (GMT)
im not sensoring peoples opinions.

Stank - July 6, 2011 07:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Jul 6 2011, 01:22 AM)
im not sensoring peoples opinions.

Then maybe we need to repair the Large Pulse.

[df]Ninetails - July 6, 2011 07:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Stank @ Jul 6 2011, 07:11 AM)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Jul 6 2011, 01:22 AM)
im not sensoring peoples opinions.

Then maybe we need to repair the Large Pulse.

hehe...the correct spelling is censoring

Bongwater - July 6, 2011 08:09 AM (GMT)
Haha. Touché

S']['U - July 6, 2011 11:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Jul 6 2011, 05:22 AM)
im not sensoring peoples opinions.

Show me where the hell I said that.

I guess you still can't tell the difference between an "opinion" and blatant harassment disguised as exaggerated lies.

Tell the troll to spout his "opinions" in his own thread instead of thread-jacking mine and spamming it full of his off-topic "opinions"

JeSuS{OZ} - July 6, 2011 11:16 PM (GMT)
Dont troll. Some stuff are funny but lets not threaten to kill anyone anymore.

I think your NFSW thing is a good idea bong. If it has cuss words and/or nudity in it, they should be addresses on the thread topic.

Keep complaints in the right section.

Post any proof you have towards your complaints or the complaints should be invalid. Something onlong that line...

Pandora - July 7, 2011 03:30 AM (GMT)
I'm 12 and what is this?

NSFW warning possibly
Keep on topic
Cross-posting or making multiple threads on the same topic

Include a warning, because I *think* we should all be old enough to not need fifty rules.
You post here on your own doing, so if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

S']['U - July 7, 2011 03:51 PM (GMT)
BONG:

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE AND I LIKE IT.

RULE: OFF-TOPIC POSTS WILL BE MOVED TO THE SPAM SECTION AT THE THREAD-STARTER'S REQUEST.


The "at the thread-starter's request" part will make it so you don't have to police every thread and /or post.
You will still make the final decision as to whether a post is off-topic enough to merit moving it.

Not censoring, but it will make this forum more organized and discourage trolling and thread-jacking.

agitator - July 8, 2011 05:59 AM (GMT)
1. No threats of physical violence.
2. No fucking with people in RL (i.e., don't use phone numbers or addresses aquired here to order 40 pizzas or prostitutes to their house, leaving messages claiming to be a gay lover, etc etc... /b/-style harassment basically).
3. NSFW warning.

-If it's possible to add a feature which allows people to have a "block" list, this should be pursued. Admins would be advised not to use it though, since they could miss important things.

-Trolling/threadjacking/"harassment" - very simple solution: Ignore it/don't read.

perrinoia - July 9, 2011 06:42 AM (GMT)
Agitator, the majority of the rules you have suggested are actual laws... Ones which you COULD go to jail for breaking...

I'm not sure if laws need to be reiterated by the forum rules... Maybe they do, for the really thick skulls out there... I dunno.

SkiL - July 24, 2011 03:58 PM (GMT)
edit...

Pandora - July 24, 2011 04:57 PM (GMT)
This is for forum rules, not server rules.

SkiL - July 24, 2011 05:22 PM (GMT)
Oh ok my bad. I will post it in the right place.

S']['U - September 14, 2011 10:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (perrinoia @ Jul 9 2011, 06:42 AM)
Agitator, the majority of the rules you have suggested are actual laws... Ones which you COULD go to jail for breaking...

I'm not sure if laws need to be reiterated by the forum rules... Maybe they do, for the really thick skulls out there... I dunno.


I dunno either.
Bongwater's skull seems pretty thick.
Yeah, there's an admin here that doesn't recognize a crime when he sees it...
But it's worth ignoring if he can add another asshole troll to the forum roster.
This forum could really use another one.

"its very simple. Dont be a stealthy internet detective to uncover information on someone and use it against them in real life."

That "rule" is written wrong.
What you're saying is that someone in "real life" shouldn't gather "real life" information and use it against them in "real life".

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TRIBES, THIS FORUM or BR SERVER?
...OR DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO ADMINISTRATE THE WHOLE INTERNET?

THAT RULE NEEDS TO BE RE-WRITTEN:

ANY PERSONAL INFO GATHERING (STALKING) FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTENTIONALLY HARMING SOMEONE BY USE OF THIS FORUM OR BR SERVER IS FORBIDDEN.

SEE ? NOW IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.
I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU INTENDED, TO KEEP THE GAME AND THIS FORUM SEPERATE FROM REAL LIFE, ALTHOUGH YOU'LL NEVER ADMIT THAT NOW.
WELL, THERE'S A VERY 'SPECIAL' ASSHOLE THAT HAS CROSSED THAT LINE.
...OR DO YOU STILL THINK USING THIS FORUM TO POST PERSONAL INFO JUST TO HARASS AND DISTRESS SOMEONE IS OK?

THE F.B.I. DOESN'T.

agitator - September 14, 2011 04:37 PM (GMT)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109...17b1Qo:e214946:

Sec 509 "Preventing Cyberstalking":

SEC. 509. PREVENTING CYBERSTALKING.

Section 2261A of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragaph (1)--

(A) by inserting after `intimidate' the following: `, or places under surveillance with the intent to kill, injure, haras, or intimidate,'; and

(B) by inserting after `or serious bodily injury to,' the following: `or causes substantial emotional harm to,';

(2) in paragraph (2)(A), by striking `to kill or injure' and inserting `to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate, or places under surveillance with the intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate, or to cause substantial emtional harm to,'; and

(3) in paragraph (2), in the matter following clause (iii) of subparagraph (B)--

(A) by inserting after `uses the mail' the following: `, any interactive computer service,'; and

(B) by inserting after `course of conduct that' the following: `causes substantial emotional harm to that person or'."

That's the Federal code, it's basically amended to an earlier act re: phone stalking/harassment. Puppetmaster finding your mother's first name and your ex's first name and posting them on a forum, with the threat to call them, once, doesn't come anywhere close to satisfying the requirements of stalking as defined by Federal law. Just because you have a bad ticker and have a low threshold for stress, doesn't mean that anybody/anything that causes you stress is now legally "harassing" you - otherwise, everybody with a stress-related health condition would be clogging up the courts suing left and right.

Just because you don't like the idea of people having that (publicly available) information, and posting it on these forums, doesn't make it stalking, harassment, or illegal. Read more here: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0117.htm. The Federal laws are meantto apply to sexual harassment, domestic violence/abuse stalkers, child porn, etc etc... Not "neener neener I know your mom's name neener neener". It's poor taste, to be sure, but not illegal.

Here's the Wisconsin law: http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.d...ats&jd=947.0125

Notice the continued reference to "threatens to inflict injury or physical harm to any person or the property of any person".

Lower down it says: "With intent solely to harass another person, sends repeated messages to the person on an electronic mail or other computerized communication system." I'm not sure if having an argument on a forum, in a publicly viewable and post-able thread, counts at this - it seems more meant for private internet communication: emails, texts, PMs, etc... This probably applies to the few statutes below it as well ( 947.0125(3)(e)(f) and (g) )

No crime has been committed here; all that has occurred is that someone found information on you and posted some of it on these forums, and "threatened" to call your mother (though never actually did). The idea that the threat to call your mother constitutes cyberstalking seems quite flimsy, and an overly-broad reading of cyberstalking/harassment laws. There is no such thing as "attempted" stalking or "attempted" harassment; either it occurs or doesn't. If I were admins here, I'd lock these threads and call Stu's bluff. Prepare to get laughed out of the FBI office.

EDIT: I stand slightly corrected, Georgia apparently has "attempted" stalking laws, and a few other states have "attempted harassment" laws as well, though most of them deal with direct threats of physical violence.

Puppetmaster - September 14, 2011 05:29 PM (GMT)
State of Wisconsin's court records are publicly viewable information on the Internet. All of this personal info is also something the state is posting. So, sue the state for cyberbullying then.
You're one to talk about bullying with all those violent charges, STU.

S']['U - September 15, 2011 07:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Puppetmaster @ Sep 14 2011, 05:29 PM)
State of Wisconsin's court records are publicly viewable information on the Internet. All of this personal info is also something the state is posting. So, sue the state for cyberbullying then.
You're one to talk about bullying with all those violent charges, STU.

THE STATE OF WISCONSIN DOESN'T THREATEN TO CONTACT MY MOTHER OR POST MY PERSONAL INFORMATION IN WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A FUCKING GAME FORUM FOR THE PURPOSE OF HARASSING ME.

FUCK YOU.
YOU ARE THE LOWEST FORM OF SCUM ON THIS FORUM.

OF ALL THE ASSHOLES HERE, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S MENTALLY UNSTABLE ENOUGH TO STALK ME AND HARASS ME WITH "REAL LIFE" INFO.
YOU'RE SICK.

BONG:
"NOTHING IN TRIBES SHOULD AFFECT SOMEONE IN REAL LIFE"


ENFORCE YOUR FUCKING RULES !

[NHOP] lil Tigga - September 15, 2011 09:23 PM (GMT)
New rule STU cant bitch about anything

DaJ4ck3L - September 16, 2011 12:37 AM (GMT)
user posted image

S']['U - September 16, 2011 01:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE ([NHOP)
lil Tigga,Sep 15 2011, 09:23 PM] New rule STU cant bitch about anything

THAT'S ALREADY THE RULE.
EVEN IF I HAVE A GOOD REASON TO BITCH.

THAT CALLS FOR ARGUING, HARASSMENT AND TROLLING ...AND EVERYTHING I SAY BEING IGNORED BY ADMIN.

SO WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?
YOU AREN'T ENJOYING IT ENOUGH?

DaJ4ck3L - September 16, 2011 03:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (S')
['U,Sep 15 2011, 08:06 PM]
QUOTE ([NHOP)
lil Tigga,Sep 15 2011, 09:23 PM] New rule STU cant bitch about anything

SO WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM?
YOU AREN'T ENJOYING IT ENOUGH?

I'm not, at all.

Bongwater - September 16, 2011 03:33 AM (GMT)
stu enough with the caps locks.. this is ur warning right here. if u cant be mature enough to make normal posts where u dont use caps and large colorful fonts, dont post anything at all.

were all sick of u yelling at us every reply.

agitator - September 18, 2011 08:23 PM (GMT)
I posted this in Stu's loghead thread, but I think it deserves consideration here:

Instead of trying to make some overly-broad "no real-life harassment" rule that is murky and difficult to enforce, how about a "No posting the personal info of others unless they themselves have previously posted it/given permission". Things like xfire or email addresses that people openly share would be fine, as would IP addresses, or if people list their location and all that. But using given information to be an "internet detective" and find more info and share it, would be against the rules (at least, sharing it on this forum or in-game).

Just a thought.

Bongwater - September 18, 2011 10:52 PM (GMT)
that is just as broad as the original rule. the same issues that had the rule removed would also apply here.

agitator - September 18, 2011 11:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bongwater @ Sep 18 2011, 10:52 PM)
that is just as broad as the original rule. the same issues that had the rule removed would also apply here.

I really just don't agree with that first statement, and having seen Stankdrive's rhetorical "skill" in action, I'm having a hard time believing he made an argument so convincing that it precludes any attempt, at all, of having any rule based on the sharing of other peoples' info. The rule I posited is directly related to things posted on the forums and said in the in-game chat, and nothing more. If someone decides to use info gleaned from here to engage in /b/-style harassment, you obviously can't stop it, but you can not allow the board itself to be used as a venue for it.

The point of these rules is to create a general code of conduct based on acceptable and unacceptable behavior; consistency and clarity are good to aim for, but you're not writing a constitution here - it's not going to come under judicial and legislative scrutiny. It would be pretty easy to determine when someone is using real-life info - publicly available though it may be - to harass someone, versus someone accidentally posting the info of another player they're good friends with.

It's a bit of a cop-out to claim it's "too broad" to enforce such a rule re: information that COULD potentially cause a lot of trouble, while having such a strict, binding rule over something like "poll-tampering" - that has no affect on anything, tribes or real-life.

S_hift - September 20, 2011 05:58 AM (GMT)
I'm gonna kill all of you goddamn mother fuckers :finger:

TXRedneck - September 20, 2011 06:07 PM (GMT)
More rules are needed. Might as well take away freedom of speech! Amendment rights are no good here. haha




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