http://environment.newscientist.com/articl...%20green%20fuel

"THIS is one biofuel that lives up to its green billing in more ways than one. It's an emerald-green crude oil, produced by photosynthesis in algae, which could fuel cars, trucks and aircraft - without consuming crops that can be used as food.

"This product can go right into today's oil pipeline," claims Jason Pyle of Sapphire Energy in San Diego, California, which developed the fuel. He says the "green crude" is similar in quality to naturally occurring crude oil. It is produced as a by-product of photosynthesis by a genetically engineered strain of algae, housed in tanks of treated waste-water and exposed to sunlight. The tanks can be placed on non-arable land.

Gasoline, diesel and jet fuel have already been refined from the green crude, and the company aims to produce 10,000 barrels per day within five years."

!0.00 barrels a day wiithin five years? One good Oil well in ANWR would produce that in about 4 hours once on line. Seems to me that this another one of those pipe dreams that will take so long to make a difference, we will be back to the horse and buggy before it can make a difference . I wonder how much tax payer money has been spent to find this out. I am not against this but, I think we should be producing known domestic reserves while we are doing research on new technology.

Yes explore other types of fuel but we have to drill here and now!

So true Linda, We need relief now. The 30 years of Congress and the Whitehouse ignoring this problem and letting our domestic oil industry go down the tubes because of cheap foreign oil and radical environmentalism are the reasons we find ourselves in this predicament. First things should be first, we need to relax our environmental standards and let producers go after the reserves that are known and tell those liberal Greenies to take a hike, then we can start working on producing alternative energy sources.
Another thing I can't understand is why we don't take a more serious look at Compressed Natural Gas as a source of fuel for all vehicles that now burn gasoline. The tech already exist and is on the market and available to the public and can be adapted to all vehicles now in use. At 91 cents a gallon here in Oklahoma, this seems to be the best alternative. The U.S. is the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Production, all that needs to happen is the infrastructure. They can put in compressors in any area that now has natural gas available for public use. If the government really wanted to through money at something, seem like they could afford to absorb some of the cost of converting gasoline vehicles to natural gas with a tax credit to help offset the cost to the consumer. Don't get me wrong, I don't like government social programs that raise taxes but, if they are going to through our money away anyhow than it should be for something that is going to make a difference now , not somewhere of in the distant future maybe.

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I just heard on the radio that gas prices will peak at around $ 4.19 a gallon in July and stay that way for at least a year! I just paid $ 4.39 yesterday at ARCO, the cheapest gas station in my area.

Screw the environmentalist whackos! We have to get loud and demand we drill here!

If we start drilling ANWR right this second, it will be 10 years before any of that oil gets to consumers. Meanwhile, there are several other of these green energy companies developing this algae oil... the largest company promising 100,000 gallons of algae oil a year per acre, compared to about 30 gallons per acre from corn; 50 gallons from soybeans.

Legitlinda, you do realize our current price issues with oil and gas has to do with a very weak dollar and speculation, don't you? Not supply.

They both have to be addressed now. Even if it does take 10 years for our own oil to come online we have to do it now. And we have to get out of the clutches of OPEC!

OPEC aint the ones setting the prices right now, speculators are. If that oil we get from ANWR is on the same market, those speculators can screw with the price just as easily.

That's why I said they "both" have to be addressed now.

Seeing that the weak dollar is central to the economic policy Bush has held for this nation for several years, that one will go on for several more months, and will be continued by McCain if he gets in.

And it definitley won't be any better under Obama. :wacko:

Don’t you guys get it????? Bunny likes the greens!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on now this is so simple…… Here little bunny I have some celery for you…… Opps I mean algae for you……

So you don't want a renewable fuel source that has the potential to be a complete replacement for oil, no modifications of vehicles what so ever?

They are making gas, diesel and jet fuel with this stuff.

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/06/aviation-gets-b.html

Boeing Throws its Weight Behind Algae

Boeing has become an algae true believer. The company has joined scientists, academics and industry types in founding the Algal Biomass Organization to "facilitate commercialization and market development of microalgae biomass specifically for biofuels production and greenhouse gas abatement" and put two of its executives on the board.

It's a significant development because Boeing, the world's largest manufacturer of commercial jets, has the money and the muscle to push algal fuels as an alternative to fossil fuels. The company had until now been lukewarm about biofuels, but with the industry reeling from skyrocketing fuel costs - jet fuel topped $150 a barrel last week, a body blow to an industry that uses 5 million barrels of it a day - and increasing pressure to reduce emissions, Boeing is getting serious about algae.

"€œBoeing recognizes that algae biomass holds tremendous potential for use as jet fuel, and it fits into our plan to guide aviation towards commercially viable and sustainable fuel sources," says Boeing's Billy Glover, who co-chairs the ABO steering committee.

The entire air industry is fighting for its life these days, and manufacturers have joined airlines in a mad scramble to find an alternative to fossil fuels. So far, those efforts have been piecemeal. The ABO is meant to bring order to the chaos.

In February, Virgin Atlantic became the first airline to test biofuels when it flew a Boeing 747 partially fueled by coconut and babassu oil. KLM Royal Dutch Airlines recently announced plans to test algal fuel developed by AlgaeLink and plans to have it fueling 50 planes by 2010. JetBlue and Airbus have joined the party and are working on a veggie oil-algae combination.

Yeah and it will be a heck of a lot longer than ten years before they can get this algae pig in a poke to make a difference, I'll guarantee that. You folks are looking for a why out miracle when the answer is right in front of your nose. And for your info the answer is supply but, it has to be a domestic supply owned by American interest. If the oil was on the market domestically, we would have a bargaining chip and it would drive prices down. The same goes with Compressed natural gas. If 40 percent where able to convert to CNG we wouldn't need as much crude and the price would drop also.
So dream on there Dumb Bunny, this algae ain't the "Right Now" answer that this country needs. Drilling new wells is and maybe hydrogen and definitely CNG is. This is technology we have and we already know it will work.

The current "gas crisis" is manipulated....We are being "Enron-ed" by the oil co.'s

:lol: :lol: :lol: by golly Marine, I think I've got it!!! Raise rabbits, feed them celery and other green things (cheryl crow, al gore compost) ... then sit back and capture their 'flatulence' and VOILA ... instant gas!!!

Regular unleaded = celery, greens, spinach
Hi test unleaded = celery, greens, spinach, hard boiled eggs, white wine

Yes folks introducing our new 'green friendly' automobile, comfortably seats 1 1/'2, quick acceleration, low price, now available at your local grocery/auto lot. Gets an incredible 5,250,000 farts per mile. Regardless of what you read in the MSM, this rabbit power has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of lettuce sky-rocketing to $345/bushel, that is a bushitlerhalliburton conspiracy theory.

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Be vewy vewy quiet, I see movement in the lettuce patch ...

The new motto for the US of A is ---

Walk Softly and Carry A Big Carrot

Rabbits of Mass Destruction (RMD) have been located

:garfield:

Yes! YES! You got it! NOW we have a plan and idea we can run with! Hell thrown in some of those high protein pellets they use to feed deer and elk in the winter time and BAM you have one hell of a renewable energy source!! Of course you may have to stop at every single farmers market on the way to work BUT what the heck!!!!!!! See its all a matter of applying your self to these bunny problems I mean energy problems, just a little thought goes a long way!!

You know speaking of lettuce patch, have you ever seen how bunnies can just flat out invaded a patch? Even if you have chicken wire or something around it they will still find a way in! PESKY little critters! Almost need a watchdog to keep an eye on them…

Hmmm would that be an *RPG???






* Rabbit Produced Gas

Gary,

That would be a 'WatchKitty' please ... !!!

Can a watch kitty do the same good job as a watch dog??? How about a watch beaver????????????? I LOVE beaver and they say they can see things coming from MILES away!!

Seems like the smart answer is to drill offshore, anwar and develop natural gas as fuel while environmentalists come up with an alternative that is cheaper to use. Once the environmentalists find a cheaper fuel source, oil is a non issue and offshore oil rigs become artificial reefs. Refineries need to be built as well.

Awsome, Can't wait to try a tank of this green algae fuel. I saw a few cross country solarmobiles tooling down Rt. 66 last year. They looked like hotrod areo dynamic clams. They all had support vans following them. The driver laid on his back and stuck his head out of a hole to see down the road. When they come out on the market and get a bit better than 30MPH plus can pull a load of steers, I'm gettin one.

It would make more sense to reopen the DOZENS of refineries closed in the last almost 20 years. Closed on purpose by the oil companies to increase profits.

http://wyden.senate.gov/issues/wyden_oil_report.pdf

This really ticks me off. I heard this exact argument over 10 years ago. Guess where we would be if we had started this when Billy turned it down.

dumbbunny, it is a lack of DOMESTIC supply, you idiot. If there were enough DOMESTIC supply, no one could manipulate it. It's other nations that are doing the manipulatin!

Why do you think enron could screw with the price of electricity?

IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ENOUGH AVAILABLE LOCALLY!!!!!!

I have been hearing about the "algae oil" for over 25 years. There was research on it in Klamath Falls, Oregon while I was on recruiting duty. If it were all that good, it would be in production today.

The only way we can control the cost is if it is produced in THIS country. If, big IF, the government were to write the leases properly the cost could be controlled and all money would stay in this country. Including the price the oil companies pay for the leases.

We would be right where we are, because the current cost of oil has nothing to do with supply. The ANWR oil would be on the same market, subject to the same speculators.

The oil drilled here domestically goes on the same market as the rest of it. Else we could set the price per barrel coming out of the US lower! IT IS ALL PRICED THE SAME. We ain't in Saudi or Venezuela where gas is 14 cents a gallon. They set their prices, we put ours on the open market like good little capitalists. What little stays here (trans alaska pipeline) is priced at market value!!!

All that government control stuff you are talking about re: algae oil is socialism, Herb. But I do agree it sounds like an excellent idea

Oh, and Enron was intentionally screwing about with supply.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1972574.stm


ON EDIT: a transcript of an audio tape of Enron manipulating supply....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/...ain620626.shtml

Cool beans, ya'll... an electric motorcycle... available now!

http://www.electricmotorsport.com/store/em...cycle_gpr-s.php

why were the refineries closed? did it have anything to do with environmentalists having them shut down? If the refineries can be opened, they ought to be. Government owned and operated refineries would be okay with me if they could produce cheap fuel. Profits could be used for pork instead of taxing the middle class and rich.
As for offshore, we need to be drilling now and providing more artificial reefs for sea critters. They also provide fishermen with great spots to catch fish.

Read the PDF I linked to. It has the oil company memos telling exactly why they were closed, and it WASN'T because of the environmentalists. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Nationalized refineries? I like the idea!

No foreign companies should be allowed to drill here either.

Looking at ANWAR using satellite maps, it looks pretty montainous. I think it would be very costly not to mention a lot of damage getting in and out with the oil. Offshore is easy, closer and we could have oil very quickly. Build refineries on military bases or state lands near the rigs , and I think we could then go on to fixing some other problem this country is facing.

That wacky wabbit has you all stirred back up again I see! I think its nose should stay in a lettuce patch and not talk about stuff he knows nothing about. Ok guys feed that bunny; she likes it that way…. Silly wabbit tricks are for kids!!!

That was an A and B conversation between me and IDKY... C your way out.

The "honorable" Mr. Wyden is from my home state of Oregon. I voted against him in every election until I became a CA citizen. He is a socialistic, big government, anti-business, pro ernvironut, liberal, democrat. EVERYTHING he says that is even remotely anti business is suspect and probably a lie. He is great at lying.

I remember very well the late 90's and the shutting down of those refineries. Most of those that were shut down were "topping" plants that could not be used to crack the crude. The companies wanted more plants that could be used to break down the crude oil from the start. There were a lot of permit applications to convert these but the environuts and NIMBY's brought suits, and won in every case. The oil companies just gave up. It was too expensive to continue to fight it. Much cheaper to ship the crude to another country to be refined.

ANWR is larger than any of the 9 smallest states, it would take the first 5 states added together to equal the size of ANWR. S Caroline is the first state that is larger than ANWR (barely). ANWR is almost 30,000 sq miles.

IDKY, The area that the companies want to explore is the coastal plain and it is flat tundra, that is frozen most of the year.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0921/p11s02-usec.html

"The current refinery squeeze has been building for years. For the past two decades, deregulation and low profits have combined to push the industry into consolidation."
"In 1981, the US had 324 refineries with a total capacity of 18.6 million barrels per day, the Department of Energy reports. Today, there are just 132 oil refineries with a capacity of 16.8 million b.p.d., according to Oil and Gas Journal, a trade publication."

I repeat, not stutter.

Most of those that were shut down were "topping" plants that could not be used to crack the crude. The companies wanted more plants that could be used to break down the crude oil from the start. There were a lot of permit applications to convert these but the environuts and NIMBY's brought suits, and won in every case. The oil companies just gave up. It was too expensive to continue to fight it. Much cheaper to ship the crude to another country to be refined.

Keep in mind, I have been against the environut movement and screaming about drilling in this country for almost 30 years. I don't have to do much research on what happened because I not only lived through it, I was paying attention. Usually I was writting letters to politicians and the newspapers, griping about how they were allowing a few nuts to destroy this country. Crazy db's, that is.