My question is for your thinks about skinhead movements between Ultras on the stadiums like Spain , Italy , France , Poland and Balkans countries , espacially for neo-nazi skinheads ?

for example : Propatria , Varese , Inter Milano , Lazio , Verona , Real Madrid , Atletico Madrid , Steaua , Levski and Cska Sofia , PSG and many others - members of Blood & Honour and other racist and nazi skins ...

p.s.

sorry for bad english!

We kicked them out of our sections here in Chicago. We try to keep politics out of our sections. We do have a lot of non racist/nazi skins in our section which are a part of the punk/ska scene.

P.S. your English is very good.

You have a lot of non racist/nazi :blink: skins?
If they are nazi , they're fascist and most of them are racist.
I don't understand how do you, in the the U.S.A, imagine a nazi scum?

Non racist/nazi mean non racist / non nazi.
But if you dont like politic in your sections,why do you have punks (politic) in your section?

devasso, true punk is apolitical, neither anarchist, neither communist ;)
it's normal to have skinheads on the terraces, skinhead movement is connected with football, all of the old streetpunk and oi! bands like Sham 69, Cockney Rejects, Last Resort, The Business have songs about football games and hooliganism.

Nazism and fascism are two quite different things. Please, make difference. ;)

In Scotland / it is very rare to see a skinhead on the terracing, certainly in Aberdeen :D

I didn't mean that both concepts were two same things, but according to me, Nazism (National socialism) is a "variety" of fascism coming from Italia.
Both have the same main ideas as nationalism, fight against people rights,...

What is the point of this thread ?

Anyway... Don't come here and say that there are just NS skins. Because you also have non-political Oi-skins and so called red-skins (communists). I don't understand why the way skinheads look is a problem. And about theire politics (NS-skins), they are not any worse then the lefties.

(Most European countries are free countrys were everybody is allowed to watch football and maybe support them in an Ultra-way. Doesen't matter what political view you have.)

Who are hooligan in our club FC Nitra he was or he is NS skinhead...its tradion ...we are hard right wing club...Our hools and ultras are 90% NS/hools or NS/ultras...Everybody from Slovakia know this about us .


...its reality...

Not exactly, the ideology of Nazism is based on the italian Fascism. Nazism, is a german derivation of fascism. Nazism is fascist, but fascism is not always nazi.

But I'm OT, just wanted to set thing straight.

ok,so... Chicago only have true punks in their sections???

Where the hell did you find so many similarities between the national-SOZIALISM and the capitalist fascism? :blink: Communism (socialism) is much more closer to nazism (national-SOCIALISM) than the fascism. The fact that Germany and Italy were allies during WWII has nothing to do with inner politic regimes. All 3 regimes have something in common - propaganda, repressive measures, etc. That doesn't mean they mean the same thing.

I know this discussion is a bit offtopic, but it's important to make difference.

Please educate your self [manouch] before making false statement . I personally support FASCISM .

Fascists slogan: "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity."
*** Liberty from oppressive government intervention in the daily lives of its citizens, from illicit searches and seizures, from enforced religious values, from intimidation and arrest for dissenters; and liberty to cast a vote in a system in which the majority ruled but the minority retained certain inalienable rights.
*** Equality in the sense of civic equality, egalitarianism, the notion that while people differ, they all should stand equal in the eyes of the law.
*** Fraternity in the sense of the brotherhood of mankind. That all women and men, the old and the young, the infirm and the healthy, the rich and the poor, share a spark of humanity that must be cherished on a level above that of the law, and that binds us all together in a manner that continuously re-affirms and celebrates life.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

As of Skinheads on the terraces , all I can say is they all are welcome to support clubs and I find that skinheads are great influence in the whole supporters scene .

JOG ON - sing loud and do the best for your club.

Ok,

Liberty, Equality and Fraternity is not a slogan of fascism but of the French Revolution.

The statement that Nazism and fascisms are closely linked ideologies, is not mine, but of political scientists.

Another thing a name of a subject does not define it's nature.

I can quite well guess where you get your statements from, but if you want to defend, some idea/ideology in a discussion on a certain level, please try to use legitimate and quality sources.

I do not want to turn this into some political debate, but if you want to discuss this topic, PM me.


As to the topic, skinheads and football go together great, the other thing is if someone tries to bring politics onto the terrace.

I remember your chants White Power - White Pride in your oldest video of Bulldogs group!

Ultras4life: did you mean probably this
UFTA ...its only 1year old. we have more racial chants...becouse WE ARE NITRA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCZvytnpW_Y

Punks? Skinheads? Its 2007 not 1977. Move on.

You agree with this ideology but you think that you don't go wrong speaking of Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. If think you've mixed up this slogan with the french one.

You speak about liberty with oppressive government intervention? I'am not sure we define "Liberty" in a same way.

-Equality? Don't you think that racial, cultural, ethnic caracteristics make people all equal in eyes of the law.

Fraternity? Don't forget that the women in this kind of state are just used to stay home or to being busy with what they call women occpuations.
And natural selection is also a proof of fraternity?

You go wrong!

It's ok, we don't agree and we certainly can't persuade each other so there's no reason to go along with this conversation.

Back on topic comrade!

What I mean about skinheads on terraces? They are founders of real supporters scene.With them has everything begun.True patriots are always welcome ;) Their ideology is much more strong when we speak about loyality as for example supporters which support left political wing.I rather see right wing symbols as all flags except flags of country,city or region from which this group comes.

i think they need to be dead :)
ULTRAS NO POLITICA

i don´t care about it...it´s reality...but the skinheads who support my club (MFK Kosice) are not very interested in ultra style

If they love some club, i think, there should be place for them on the terraces. If they are in the terraces,only to proclaim S/H ideology,thats the diferent thing.They sholdn`t be there...

In Spain there's a lot of groups with a lot of skinheads, you can see it in a lot of oi! bans who dedicate songs to FC Barcelona like:
Decibelios
Opció k-95
Area de Combate
Desperta ferro
Bulldog Firm

etc.

I thing that at least here they have had a very important paper in the movement

Better skin than dirty punk.

Respect for them

Can anyone distinguish between these to gruops of scum(Nazis and fascists)

Sospechosos habituales

Can any neo-Nazi skinheads on this board or anybody that supports this movement or type of it explain why?

First of all, I'm not a nazi skinhead, because it's incompatible. Skinheads have their roots on jamaican rude boys. Real skinheads are not communists, not fascists, just antiracist.
Why I support it?
Because it's the only movement which fights for social values that I believe good, like friendship, the companionship, the group, the society far from capitalism, etc.
Moreover it is one of the few movements that has overcome the 30 year-old barrier, that has created literature, art, music...

you gotta have skins...
their culture is just right with football culture and has been since the 70's.
Skinheads are generally passionate, rowdy, tough, loud (their music is what my opinion suits football the most - perfect for chanting) and they love beer!
what else do you need?

I'd much rather see a terrace full of skins instead of punks.

They are pioneers of the supporter movement.Better see skinhead who is proud of what he is then stoned leftie on my terrace.F*ck them...


respect for the skins all over the world!

Skinheads, named for their close-cropped or shaven heads, began life as a working-class subculture that originated in the United Kingdom in the late 1960s, and then spread to other parts of the world. The first skinheads were greatly influenced by West Indian (specifically Jamaican) rude boys and British mods, in terms of fashion, music and lifestyle. Originally, the skinhead subculture was primarily based on those elements, not politics or race. Since then, however, attitudes toward race and politics have become factors in which some skinheads align themselves. The political spectrum within the skinhead scene ranges from the far right to the far left, although many skinheads are apolitical. Fashion-wise, skinheads range from a clean-cut 1960s mod-influenced style to less-strict punk- and hardcore-influenced styles.

Let them live!!

why is punk dirty ? punk is music if you think that you dont know what is punk
maybe punkers are dirty for you with their style. . but there are people so ??. .let them live
but everbody have taste just for yourself. . so :correct

They thing their nation is higher and its so silly. Also they have international friendships for example lazio and olympiakos. But lazio thinks the Italian nation is high, and olym thinks the Greece nation is high and how come they don't fight with each other for being friends. :S :/

oh my lord what a bullshit :uhuh

the gypsy dont like nazis :sayA :sayA

In greece we have a music skin band which is called BOOTSTROKE
They have some songs about football
ena goal(one goal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRRuHmGrRU
Athlitiki Kyriaki(athletic sunday)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6dGUOQ3OIQ

they are apolitik and unfortunately for me are supporters of Aek

i want the skins in the curva

in late 70's and begin 80's there were also a lot of skinheads in Holland, also the F-side was started by skinheads, you had some different groups inside the F who had different politics, you had right wing Skins, Left skins who called themselfs "Jodenskins"(jewskins). ofcourse this went wrong because you cant put these two groups together. The Skinhead scene died at Ajax when a black kid was murdered in Amsterdam because of right wing skins. Skinheads are the toughest people within a stand, they stand for something and will give there live for it, even tough I totally dont support the right wing skins, I still think these "Skinheads"have a part in the "Hooligan/Ultras"scene and that they should stay there to.

what are you talking about???
if you dont know dont speak