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notorioushun - January 18, 2012 05:48 PM (GMT)
Hi fellas!

Is there anyone who knew a lot about the fights near the bridge, before the match? (there were 2 occasions, the first 2 out of the 3 in recent years)

I've heard lots of reports from Man Utd side, but I'd love to talk about it with some Italians too, who knew what was happening, not from the news... ;)

+ if there any proper Napoli who was in Liverpool, dont be shy to write to me (here or PM)

I've heard about some Liverpool's account about that night, which I can't fully believe...

bhtifo - January 18, 2012 11:53 PM (GMT)
:cop

italyclown - January 19, 2012 10:17 AM (GMT)
fuck police, fuck scotland yard, fuck voyeurs, fuck spie.

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notorioushun - January 19, 2012 05:04 PM (GMT)
Haha, I know about everything what was going on, Im not a cop lol

I'd like to know the "Italian side" of the thing, as they dont get too much credit from the English.

But at least I know now there are only photo collectors and hangers-on on this board, not group members or people who are involved. I guess none of know what happened before these two games near the bridge :D

italyclown - January 19, 2012 05:53 PM (GMT)
man, in italy there are only clowns..
you know everythings...why ask you?
wait next round and try to be present if you want a 360' point of view.
edit palermo-westham to the list.


Rebogol84 - January 19, 2012 06:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (italyclown @ Jan 19 2012, 05:53 PM)
man, in italy there are only clowns..
you know everythings...why ask you?
wait next round and try to be present if you want a 360' point of view.
edit palermo-westham to the list.

That's true, italians're rabbits :D

offensiva - January 19, 2012 08:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (notorioushun @ Jan 19 2012, 05:04 PM)
Haha, I know about everything what was going on, Im not a cop lol

I'd like to know the "Italian side" of the thing, as they dont get too much credit from the English.

But at least I know now there are only photo collectors and hangers-on on this board, not group members or people who are involved. I guess none of know what happened before these two games near the bridge :D

I dont know any other city in europe where english teams got higher number of people injuerd.wether it's boro,manu,arsenal,liverpool or chelsea.

they didnt give the romans any credit?..I think they can get along with it.
IT's enough to know in rome nobody has ever been able to take the upper hand.

offensiva - January 19, 2012 08:08 PM (GMT)
and dont come with hajduk.spraying monuments and light torches in the safe and patroled downtown is for me no real control of the territory.

italyclown - January 19, 2012 09:06 PM (GMT)
@offensiva, you cant' answer,
you are not italian and you are not asr ultras
you stay in this forum only to provocate :tong

italyclown - January 19, 2012 09:10 PM (GMT)
MB, NL, KD, RW

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ex-AG 98 - January 19, 2012 09:11 PM (GMT)
fatti i cazzi tuoi.

TheSteward - January 19, 2012 09:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Jan 19 2012, 08:07 PM)
QUOTE (notorioushun @ Jan 19 2012, 05:04 PM)
Haha, I know about everything what was going on, Im not a cop lol

I'd like to know the "Italian side" of the thing, as they dont get too much credit from the English.

But at least I know now there are only photo collectors and hangers-on on this board, not group members or people who are involved. I guess none of know what happened before these two games near the bridge :D

I dont know any other city in europe where english teams got higher number of people injuerd.wether it's boro,manu,arsenal,liverpool or chelsea.

they didnt give the romans any credit?..I think they can get along with it.
IT's enough to know in rome nobody has ever been able to take the upper hand.

Stabbing normal fans whilst wearing motorbike helmets is fucking cowardly. Your numbers in England show you for what you are :mrgreen: :smile!

ex-AG 98 - January 19, 2012 09:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TheSteward @ Jan 19 2012, 09:12 PM)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Jan 19 2012, 08:07 PM)
QUOTE (notorioushun @ Jan 19 2012, 05:04 PM)
Haha, I know about everything what was going on, Im not a cop lol

I'd like to know the "Italian side" of the thing, as they dont get too much credit from the English.

But at least I know now there are only photo collectors and hangers-on on this board, not group members or people who are involved. I guess none of know what happened before these two games near the bridge :D

I dont know any other city in europe where english teams got higher number of people injuerd.wether it's boro,manu,arsenal,liverpool or chelsea.

they didnt give the romans any credit?..I think they can get along with it.
IT's enough to know in rome nobody has ever been able to take the upper hand.

Stabbing normal fans whilst wearing motorbike helmets is fucking cowardly. Your numbers in England show you for what you are :mrgreen: :smile!

oh dear here's some daft kid who believes all the stereotypes :lol:

offensiva - January 19, 2012 11:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TheSteward @ Jan 19 2012, 09:12 PM)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Jan 19 2012, 08:07 PM)
QUOTE (notorioushun @ Jan 19 2012, 05:04 PM)
Haha, I know about everything what was going on, Im not a cop lol

I'd like to know the "Italian side" of the thing, as they dont get too much credit from the English.

But at least I know now there are only photo collectors and hangers-on on this board, not group members or people who are involved. I guess none of know what happened before these two games near the bridge :D

I dont know any other city in europe where english teams got higher number of people injuerd.wether it's boro,manu,arsenal,liverpool or chelsea.

they didnt give the romans any credit?..I think they can get along with it.
IT's enough to know in rome nobody has ever been able to take the upper hand.

Stabbing normal fans whilst wearing motorbike helmets is fucking cowardly. Your numbers in England show you for what you are :mrgreen: :smile!

yes,and niggers are inferior,if you wank you get blind,communists are eating kids,hitler was jew and blablablabla.






Why the fuck didnt the red army storm into the roma's mob outside old trafford when there were 20 bobbies separating the sides..?

you know what had happened in rome if there had been a dozen of harmless officers in between us and your firm..?

and I stop here because the ones involved they respect each others.mib is probably england's best firm..and I have no probs admiting it.that doesnt mean we are wankers and you heroes.

offensiva - January 19, 2012 11:33 PM (GMT)
ag98...of course i'm not rumenian.but what did you make think that?
my english? o.O

ex-AG 98 - January 20, 2012 08:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Jan 19 2012, 11:32 PM)
QUOTE (TheSteward @ Jan 19 2012, 09:12 PM)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Jan 19 2012, 08:07 PM)
QUOTE (notorioushun @ Jan 19 2012, 05:04 PM)
Haha, I know about everything what was going on, Im not a cop lol

I'd like to know the "Italian side" of the thing, as they dont get too much credit from the English.

But at least I know now there are only photo collectors and hangers-on on this board, not group members or people who are involved. I guess none of know what happened before these two games near the bridge :D

I dont know any other city in europe where english teams got higher number of people injuerd.wether it's boro,manu,arsenal,liverpool or chelsea.

they didnt give the romans any credit?..I think they can get along with it.
IT's enough to know in rome nobody has ever been able to take the upper hand.

Stabbing normal fans whilst wearing motorbike helmets is fucking cowardly. Your numbers in England show you for what you are :mrgreen: :smile!

yes,and niggers are inferior,if you wank you get blind,communists are eating kids,hitler was jew and blablablabla.






Why the fuck didnt the red army storm into the roma's mob outside old trafford when there were 20 bobbies separating the sides..?

you know what had happened in rome if there had been a dozen of harmless officers in between us and your firm..?

and I stop here because the ones involved they respect each others.mib is probably england's best firm..and I have no probs admiting it.that doesnt mean we are wankers and you heroes.

Now first of all I should say on this I am totally neutral.

However the reason they wouldn't steam in is simple, CCTV. It doesn't matter even if there was only ten police. The police now are not the real problem in the UK, the cameras are. Of course we should start wearing passamontagna e/o diabolik but it's just not the british style.

Are manchester the best mob in england? I'm not so sure but they do have good numbers.

In Roma they 'apparently' didn't have it all their own way and like you say there is some mutual respect now. Ignore 'the steward' he obviously knows nothing. The lads involved in the fighting now know italians are not all "cowards" like the stereotype says. It was a nice touch when you helped the mancs who had been arrested and left behind in roma :correct

DUBHLIN - January 20, 2012 02:18 PM (GMT)
well there were many which helped the manks which were sentto the prison

Spalato - January 20, 2012 08:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Jan 19 2012, 10:08 PM)
and dont come with hajduk.spraying monuments and light torches in the safe and patroled downtown is for me no real control of the territory.

hahahhahahahahaha


:bye :bye

offensiva - January 21, 2012 01:20 AM (GMT)
bla bla bla

notorioushun - February 22, 2012 09:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Jan 19 2012, 08:07 PM)
QUOTE (notorioushun @ Jan 19 2012, 05:04 PM)
Haha, I know about everything what was going on, Im not a cop lol

I'd like to know the "Italian side" of the thing, as they dont get too much credit from the English.

But at least I know now there are only photo collectors and hangers-on on this board, not group members or people who are involved. I guess none of know what happened before these two games near the bridge :D

I dont know any other city in europe where english teams got higher number of people injuerd.wether it's boro,manu,arsenal,liverpool or chelsea.

they didnt give the romans any credit?..I think they can get along with it.
IT's enough to know in rome nobody has ever been able to take the upper hand.

First Man Utd game...they back off your huge mob a few times, THEN came the police, who beat the English, their mob split up, and you done a 100 of them.

Before the split up, they were better.

Second Man Utd game...their firm run the Roma mob near the bridge. Though this time there werent that much numbers.

Roma - Chelsea....70 of them run your mob, near the bridge.


enemy1312 - February 23, 2012 01:08 PM (GMT)
italians cant fight thats a fact. fighting man vs man, isnt in their DNA, throwing stones and ohter things from far distance okey, but thats not fighting.

then almost no roma guys at split and beograd, napoli didnt show up at split and bratislava, but were present against west ham (all friendly games).

genoa got their ass kicked at prague, samp at liege etc...

then never heard about a fight without sticks and ohter weapons from italian side.

italyclown - February 23, 2012 01:36 PM (GMT)
you are right.
but probably you see these facts only for big cities where is not control for tourists, students and voyeurs and it's impossibile to decide and attack all together..
if some european crew will meet small cities you will receive face to face, sure 100%, and in worldcup '90 many hooligans remembered good riots in cagliari and rimini for example.
we said: "in the little bottle there is good wine"

SSCNAPOLI-1926 - February 23, 2012 05:11 PM (GMT)
There is a video on YouTube of some Napoli ultras asking some West ham hooligans for a fight on the green street also walking and singing in it without a police escort but West Ham were not interested, they always say 'Italians never come to England' bla bla bla, yet when we do where is the response? I do know and respect English hooligans but to say that they are tougher and better fighters than us is just silly. 3000 Napoletani at WH, 3000 at Liverpool, 2800 at manchester. 1200 Liverpool fans no hooligans and 800 city fans no hooligans in Napoli. So who are the 'scared ones?'. Yes you can sing and 'take the piss' or whatever you call it against Inter and Milan, but when will you come to a real Ultras city? And as for using weapons in Italia, some groups such as those in Bergamo fight only with fists and boots. In 2007 a fight between Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur hooligans ended with 10 people stabbed. When was the last time 10 people were stabbed at a game in Italia?

enemy1312 - February 23, 2012 09:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SSCNAPOLI-1926 @ Feb 23 2012, 05:11 PM)
There is a video on YouTube of some Napoli ultras asking some West ham hooligans for a fight on the green street also walking and singing in it without a police escort but West Ham were not interested, they always say 'Italians never come to England' bla bla bla, yet when we do where is the response? I do know and respect English hooligans but to say that they are tougher and better fighters than us is just silly. 3000 Napoletani at WH, 3000 at Liverpool, 2800 at manchester. 1200 Liverpool fans no hooligans and 800 city fans no hooligans in Napoli. So who are the 'scared ones?'. Yes you can sing and 'take the piss' or whatever you call it against Inter and Milan, but when will you come to a real Ultras city? And as for using weapons in Italia, some groups such as those in Bergamo fight only with fists and boots. In 2007 a fight between Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur hooligans ended with 10 people stabbed. When was the last time 10 people were stabbed at a game in Italia?

first of all, you are right that in the last years the english firms were more than ridicolous at naples(liverpool, chelsea, man city), but the glorious time for them is over since a lot of years.

always when i hear the story about Bergamo,brescia,verona and their fighting attitude(just fighting with fists etc...) i have to laugh! they are known for non using knives okey, but i know bergamo very very good and belts and sticks are absolutly used, in almost every fight. it's a myth of internet ultras that they fight only with fists.

and about west ham, some whu lads were looking for fight and found them at metro station after the game between some lads of both sides...and there was not a good performance of naples guys(this told me a friend from napoli, a member of THE GROUP in napoli).

i dont wanna say that napoli is a poor group, for sure they are a good group in europe, but when we talk just about the quality of fighting there is a huge number of firms in europe better as each italian group.



SSCNAPOLI-1926 - February 26, 2012 10:19 PM (GMT)
Ok, I agree times for English hooligans are very bad but Ultras in Italia are hardly going through good times either are they? So why are we the only ones showing up?

Ok, some Bergamo lads may use belts and sticks but in a fight situation it's only natural to do so just like in England when fights break out they throw bricks and bottles if they are around.

So West Ham hooligans found some Napoli Ultras and done them at a metro station? Ok a few things with that 1) The excuse for not fighting Napoli Ultras around the Stadium was to CCTV, ok fair enough but in England every single metro station has cameras in them more than what streets around the stadium have. 2) West Ham lads were looking for fights? Well we were not hard to find, we was marching on Green Street and past the Queens pub (Cass Pennant) so where were they, too much CCTV? Not as much as metro. And what group was this person you spoke to in then? You saying 'the group' makes me think that you are talking rubbish because in Napoli there are many groups.

I am not saying that nothing happened in the metro but I was at that match with some of my old mates from Curva ''A'', and no incidents took place with them (Curva ''A'' are known more for fighting, Curva B are more known for coreos.) apart from them calling a fight with West Ham but the english hools walked away. Maybe you found some lads from some of the Curva B groups, but as far as C.A are concerned nothing happened.

And how can you say that others are better fighters than Italian groups? There is no way whatsover of telling that unless you fight and see, until that happens you cannot compare us, you have no right to.

Some Italian groups, for example, UTC Sampdoria, Boys San Inter.. Might not be good as some other foreign groups.

Some groups from clubs like Napoli, Atalanta, Verona, Lazio, Roma, Cagliari might be better, but who knows until they meet?

Just out of interest, who do you support? I hope the Curva ''A'' lads meet your group very soon!


SSCNAPOLI-1926 - February 26, 2012 10:24 PM (GMT)

SSCNAPOLI-1926 - February 26, 2012 10:25 PM (GMT)
Please send me videos of this happening in Napoli!!

rossbcfc67 - February 27, 2012 05:13 PM (GMT)
It's impossible to tell which group is the best fighters unless every group fought under the exact same circumstances with the exact same numbers so why waste your time arguing over it?

offensiva - February 27, 2012 07:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (enemy1312 @ Feb 23 2012, 01:08 PM)
italians cant fight thats a fact. fighting man vs man, isnt in their DNA, throwing stones and ohter things from far distance okey, but thats not fighting.

then almost no roma guys at split and beograd, napoli didnt show up at split and bratislava, but were present against west ham (all friendly games).

genoa got their ass kicked at prague, samp at liege etc...

then never heard about a fight without sticks and ohter weapons from italian side.

DIE YOU CUNT :lol:

offensiva - February 27, 2012 07:16 PM (GMT)
ma non rispondete a sto coglione..che ce l'avessi davanti lo smonterei a mani ****..cazzaro.

you cunt if I had you here in front of me you little cunt I would show you what a fuckin fist fight is.

SSCNAPOLI-1926 - February 27, 2012 09:43 PM (GMT)
Offensiva needs to calm down a bit and rossbcfc67 is spot on.

Master Yoda - February 27, 2012 09:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rossbcfc67 @ Feb 27 2012, 05:13 PM)
It's impossible to tell which group is the best fighters unless every group fought under the exact same circumstances with the exact same numbers so why waste your time arguing over it?

:uhuh :uhuh

É suggest to create a festival put it as an event in facebook so you will get more people. And invite 30 ultras - hooligan from groups from all over the world. We will put them in a place where the temperature is about 20 celcius and then MAYBE we will find out who the best group is. But still I am not sure that the circumstances will be the same due to the position of the sun.

hmm..

let me think about it tomorrow I'll post a better idea :correct

DUBHLIN - February 27, 2012 10:01 PM (GMT)
i´m out of speech...feel shame to read this stuff of people who "know"somebody. the street told and tells the street. And some are famous for don´t talk about their incidents. ;)

@offensiva
mate why you think you have to insult anybody? you have to react more cool. why you need to defend the movement in italy? itsnot necessary ...i think the most don´t care what a webwarrior wrote in an open forum, am i wrong?

@SSCNAPOLI-1926 Who the fuck are ya´?

offensiva - February 27, 2012 10:13 PM (GMT)
If the point is not to talk about them then I dont see why we are here on the board.
sure I get to easily angry that s true ,sorry :D

I just dont get why I have to read this bullshit about italians over and over again..if you think that the italian ultras is drughi,inter or milan...then you are far from the truth.

DUBHLIN - February 27, 2012 10:40 PM (GMT)
i am here to inform about other groups, about friendships, hateship, pictures of the movement and problems of other countries.

but about other things which happened on the streets, it´s nothing for an open forum. why i should write about incidents? to get respect from the community here? hahaha

who write here about fights i disrespect, especially those which had their knowledge by watching youtube or newspaper...

and you always write you are roman...damn that roman i know never would write in that behaviour, because they don´t need it.

italyclown - February 27, 2012 11:12 PM (GMT)
correct dubhlin.
offensiva usa questo forum come una ragione di vita.
conosce li, conosce la, è stato li, è stato la....
parla troppo e vuole conoscere troppo.
domenica c'è il derby, cercherò di conoscerlo dal vivo,
così chiudiamo questo argomento una volta per tutte.

rossbcfc67 - February 28, 2012 02:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Master Yoda @ Feb 27 2012, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (rossbcfc67 @ Feb 27 2012, 05:13 PM)
It's impossible to tell which group is the best fighters unless every group fought under the exact same circumstances with the exact same numbers so why waste your time arguing over it?

:uhuh :uhuh

É suggest to create a festival put it as an event in facebook so you will get more people. And invite 30 ultras - hooligan from groups from all over the world. We will put them in a place where the temperature is about 20 celcius and then MAYBE we will find out who the best group is. But still I am not sure that the circumstances will be the same due to the position of the sun.

hmm..

let me think about it tomorrow I'll post a better idea :correct

:rolleyes: Please do.

Despite the sarcasm, you are right. It's impossible.

Win some, lose some - why argue over it? If you don't like the outcome, do better next time. Don't argue with randoms on the internet.

offensiva - February 28, 2012 02:30 AM (GMT)
daje buffone,cosa vai al river a fermare ogni persona "scusa ,sei offensiva?"..ci vogliono tre post per capire che non fai parte della scena romana.

ragione di vita?..no.io al contrario vostro giro e so quello che si dice all'estero di noi.e raramente sento cose buone,piu per malafede che per altro.

ex-AG 98 - February 28, 2012 09:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (rossbcfc67 @ Feb 28 2012, 02:20 AM)
QUOTE (Master Yoda @ Feb 27 2012, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (rossbcfc67 @ Feb 27 2012, 05:13 PM)
It's impossible to tell which group is the best fighters unless every group fought under the exact same circumstances with the exact same numbers so why waste your time arguing over it?

:uhuh :uhuh

É suggest to create a festival put it as an event in facebook so you will get more people. And invite 30 ultras - hooligan from groups from all over the world. We will put them in a place where the temperature is about 20 celcius and then MAYBE we will find out who the best group is. But still I am not sure that the circumstances will be the same due to the position of the sun.

hmm..

let me think about it tomorrow I'll post a better idea :correct

:rolleyes: Please do.

Despite the sarcasm, you are right. It's impossible.

Win some, lose some - why argue over it? If you don't like the outcome, do better next time. Don't argue with randoms on the internet.

I will make one of my now very rare posts for your comment. I feel it deserves more than just my now traditional "like".

Your words are perfect. Every mob wins, every mob loses. Arguing about it changes nothing and who cares what other people say. The people involved know the truth and the rest can go fuck themselves.

Wise words from a tim, impressed :correct

italyclown - February 28, 2012 10:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (offensiva @ Feb 28 2012, 02:30 AM)
daje buffone,cosa vai al river a fermare ogni persona "scusa ,sei offensiva?"..ci vogliono tre post per capire che non fai parte della scena romana.

ragione di vita?..no.io al contrario vostro giro e so quello che si dice all'estero di noi.e raramente sento cose buone,piu per malafede che per altro.

il cerchio si stringe,
contatti con svezia e hammarby.
domenica river? no amico, la punta è da un'altra parte.
puoi essere anche ok, ma una lavatina di testa ti serve.




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