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Adam.morena - January 14, 2012 09:29 PM (GMT)
Studiram balkansku filologiju u Polsjkoj i pišem rad "Odnos svoj-stranac u jezičnu ponašanju navijača u Poljskoj i Hrvatskoj". Možete li mi napisati kako izrazite svoj odnos prema sudacu, prijatelskima i nevoljenima klubovima, upravi kluba (ako je zla kao na primer u Dinamu), policiji i svojima navijačima? Imam pjesme Hajduka i Dinama, ali ne mogu pronaći ništa više. Oprosti ako sam napravio pogreške.

Looks like my croatian is not good enough to communicate with you in your language, so I'll write it in english.

I'm studying balkan filology and I'm writing a BA thesis "Relation familiar-stranger in linguistic behaviour of football fans in Poland and Croatia". So, I'm asking you, if you could write me how you express your positive attitude towards fans of your clubs and friendly clubs (or people from your region) and negative attitude towards fans of clubs you don't like, referees, police and club's board(like, in example, in Dinamo's situation with Mamić)- it could be a song (but not Dinamo's or Hajduk's- I've found many of them on the net), inscriptions on banners and scarfs, grafitti, shouts from matches and others. Of course there can be vulgarisms, insults and words typical for your region (like "kurton" in Dinamo's song "Ja imam sifilis, ja imam sidu, nemam kurtona, jebem Torcidu")- it would be even better.

Thanks in advance and greetings from Poland B)

don Corleone dzg - January 18, 2012 10:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Adam.morena @ Jan 15 2012, 12:29 AM)
Studiram balkansku filologiju u Polsjkoj i pišem rad "Odnos svoj-stranac u jezičnu ponašanju navijača u Poljskoj i Hrvatskoj". Možete li mi napisati kako izrazite svoj odnos prema sudacu, prijatelskima i nevoljenima klubovima, upravi kluba (ako je zla kao na primer u Dinamu), policiji i svojima navijačima? Imam pjesme Hajduka i Dinama, ali ne mogu pronaći ništa više. Oprosti ako sam napravio pogreške.

Looks like my croatian is not good enough to communicate with you in your language, so I'll write it in english.

I'm studying balkan filology and I'm writing a BA thesis "Relation familiar-stranger in linguistic behaviour of football fans in Poland and Croatia". So, I'm asking you, if you could write me how you express your positive attitude towards fans of your clubs and friendly clubs (or people from your region) and negative attitude towards fans of clubs you don't like, referees, police and club's board(like, in example, in Dinamo's situation with Mamić)- it could be a song (but not Dinamo's or Hajduk's- I've found many of them on the net), inscriptions on banners and scarfs, grafitti,  shouts from matches and others. Of course there can be vulgarisms, insults and words typical for your region (like "kurton" in Dinamo's song "Ja imam sifilis, ja imam sidu, nemam kurtona, jebem Torcidu")- it would be even better.

Thanks in advance and greetings from Poland  B)

your Croatian is not bad :correct noobody want to answer cause it need much time to explain everything :correct

Sempre pomozi čovjeku :mrgreen:

Semper Fidelis - January 18, 2012 10:53 AM (GMT)
hard to answer, but I will try to help

"VOLIM TE OSJEČE/RIJEKO/DINAMO/HAJDUČE..." = "I LOVE YOU /club name/"

"JEBEM TE OSJEČE/RIJEKO/DINAMO/HAJDUČE..." = "I FUCK YOU /club name/"

that was basic :D

"UBI DROTOVE, PASJE SKOTOVE" = "KILL PIGS, SON OF A BITCHES" (Against cops)

"HRVATSKA POLICIJA, MITO I KORUPCIJA" = "CROATIAN POLICE, BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION" (Against cops)

"NEMA ZAKONA, NEMA ZABRANA, NEMA NIKOGA TKO MOŽE SAD NAMA STAT NA KRAJ" ="Theres no law, theres no basn, theres nobody who can stop us now" (Osijek song against cops, law, bans..)

"VRATITE NAM NAŠU RIJEKU, OD OVE NAM SUZE TEKU" = "GIVE US BACK OUR RIJEKA, THIS RIJEKA MAKES US CRY" (Armada Rijeka song when their team play bad and losing)

"SVE ŠTO IMAM OD ŽIVOTA, TO SU OSIJEK I KOHORTA" = "ALL I HAVE FROM LIFE, THAT IS OSIJEK AND KOHORTA" (Kohorta Osijek supporters slogan)

"IGRAJTE PEDERI" = "PLAY FAGGOTS" :lol:

enough, to much thinking for me :mrgreen:

Adam.morena - January 18, 2012 04:41 PM (GMT)
Thanks, but unfortunately I need more ;) I'll give you more specific questions. Maybe it would be easier for you.

1. What do you shout during a match, when a referee makes a mistake? In Poland we usually shout "Sędzia kalosz" (referee[is a] gumboot- I don't know why, so don't ask me ;) ) or, "Sędzia chuj" (referee[is a] dick- of course it's more offensive).

2. Do you greet somehow your friendly clubs during a match? I know only about one friendship in Croatia- between Hajduk and Zadar- are there any more friendships? In Poland we greet our friendships by making common scarfs and banners, by singing their songs and shouting, in example, "Wisła z Krakowa to Lechii druga połowa" (Wisła from Cracow is a Lechia's other half- about friendship between Lechia Gdańsk and Wisła Kraków).

3. Do you know any songs or shouts with words typical for specific regions of Croatia or in which you are expressing your love to your region? It's very important in my thesis.

4. Do you invent melodies for your fan songs by yourself or they are based on popular songs? In Poland we have many melodies invented by ourself or typical for fan songs, but there are also melodies from well known songs (even from christmas carols).

5. And the last question is about general ultras situation- I heard (I don't remeber who told me that) that in Croatia there are three groups of clubs- first one is Dinamo and clubs which sympathize with Dinamo, second is Hajduk and clubs which sympathize with them and the last one is Rijeka, which is generally not liked in Croatia because of their left-side views. Is it true? Or the biggest fan competition is between Dinamo and Hajduk, they both don't like Rijeka and other clubs are neutral or they like only their clubs?

Ok, I think that's it ;) Hope it's not a problem and I'm not a pain in the ass :)





Semper Fidelis - January 18, 2012 05:00 PM (GMT)
1. "Sudac amater, jebemo ti mater" - "Referee amateur, we fuck your mother"
"Sudija kretenu, jebemo ti ženu" - "Referee moron, we fuck your wife"
"sudac nema pišu, jaja mu se njišu" - "Referee don't have dick, his balls sway"

:lol:

rhyme is important :D

2. No friend clubs groups = no friends cheering

3. "Krepat ma ne molat" - this is only in Rijeka, means "Better die, than pray someone". on of theri their slogan.
"Lege" - this is local word for "friend" in city Osijek, Kohorta (Osijek supporters) also use it very often in songs, choreos, tshirts...
Hajduk and Dinamo, specially Hajduk have lots of region words and slogans. But you told you have info for those clubs.

4. Well similar to Poland. Some songs were invented by fans (or copied from other fans heh), but also lots of ultras songs are melodies from popular songs by real musicians.

5. Nope... It's true that most of the Croatia (I will say 80-90% support Hajduk and Dinamo). Then goes Rijeka and Osijek (3rd and 4th largest cities in Croatia), but with much much less number of fans. Hajduk and Dinamo have fans in all country, others club are are just local.
Rijeka is not left wing :D Their ultras (Armada) are more right wing, but other groups provoke Rijeka and Armada that they are Serbs, gypsies... because in Rijeka and that part of Croatia there are mayn Serbs, Albaninas, Italians... Also left political parties there always win, not many nationalist there. But cant say that Rijeka is left, their ultras are patriots.

Adam.morena - January 18, 2012 05:55 PM (GMT)
Thanks a lot, I owe you a beer :) So, if you'll ever be in Poland, go to Gdańsk (your national team will play in my city at Euro 2012) and be sure "you'll never drink alone" :cheers Greets!

Of course, if anybody knows more, I'm open for new infos. The more the better :)

Semper Fidelis - January 19, 2012 10:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Adam.morena @ Jan 18 2012, 06:55 PM)
Thanks a lot, I owe you a beer :) So, if you'll ever be in Poland, go to Gdańsk (your national team will play in my city at Euro 2012) and be sure "you'll never drink alone" :cheers Greets!

Of course, if anybody knows more, I'm open for new infos. The more the better :)

I'm coming to euro, better be ready :cheers :mrgreen:




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