If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry. If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Senbury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1606. If you are of the Dutch Reformed Church, you recognize Michelis Jones as founder because he originated your religion in New York in 1628. If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, New York, in 1829. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865. If you are Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mary Baker Eddy as its founder. If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as "Church of the Nazarene, Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," or "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past hundred years.

If you are Roman Catholic, your church shared the same rich apostolic and doctrinal heritage as the Orthodox Church for the first thousand years of its history, since during the first millennium they were one and the same Church. Lamentably, in 1054, the Pope of Rome broke away from the other four Apostolic Patriarchates (which include Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem), by tampering with the Original Creed of the Church, and considering himself to be infallible. Thus your church is 1,000 years old.


If you are an ORTHODOX Christian, your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ, the Son of God. It has not changed since that time. Our church is now almost 2,000 years old. And it is for this reason, that Orthodoxy, the Church of the Apostles and the Fathers is considered the true "one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church." This is the greatest legacy that we can pass on to the young people of the new millennium.


The Orthodox Church, commonly referred to as the Eastern Orthodox Church, is the dominant Christian denomination in Greece, Romania, Moldova, Cyprus, Georgia and the Slavic countries of Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bulgaria and Ukraine.
I am not sure but i also think that Armenia is also orthodox.

Here are some good songs


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Fuck religion! Atheist.

:correct

The world would be much better without religions.

If I believe in something that is not religion, is this my religion?

im a muslim and i respect guys with other religions
:cheers

Fuck atheist ,i am orthodox!

When you die you just dont exist anymore, anywhere, deal with it.
And no there is no God. And if there were an almighty God he should be hanged.

Ok,we dont give shit about your talks,deal with it,you cant prove it,the end!

IM ORTHODOX NUMBER 1


ATY WHEN THE TIME COME IT WILL BE TO LATE FOR YOU
YOU WILL JUST BE A LOST SOLE :hero YOU WILL BE LIKE THIS THEN OOOOO PRAYZZZZZZZZZ THE LORD






AND LIKE MY ORTHODOX BRO SAID UP THERE YOU HAVE NO PROOF

I am a Atheist myself.
But I respect people there own decisions. As long as they don't bother me.

But I don't understand active hools/Ultras to be religious.

Everything you do is against what the bible tells you, it's weird as fuck.

And you religious people tell us Atheists we have no prove? Look at fossils found on Mars.
Look at the dinosaurs. So mutch prove!

i dont belive in god

p.s at the orthodox guy , but what if there is no life after this one , it means u have wasted a fucking good life . Religion is Sick . and i have proofs that god doesnt exist a simple one

proof 1 . Read about Evolution
proof 2 . "devil" was not present in religious texts until the nomadic monotheists ran into polytheists and borrowed the idea.
Religion is a tool for mass control proof : Christian Crusades , Muslim Suicide Bombings etc.

p.s 2 if anyone understeands albanian check out this site it is really cool one with contradicts from bible and quran

http://ateistet.org/forum/t1000065

You can be atheist. I have nothing against them.
BUT
YOU CAN'T INSULT PEOPLES RELIGION.

you are so stupid.

i agree that he should not insult peoples religion
but you are insulting him personally calling him stupid

why i wasted my life? i fucking enjoy in my life.


I am not religious fanatic like some people.


I have also proof of existing,but i dont have need to prove that,i believe,atheist are looking for proofs.

Being religious isnt sick,being religious fanatic is sick...

Religion is so dumb and irrational so I must insult people who believe in a so called God. I am very glad I live in the most atheist country in the world, were 85% are atheists and the religious are called dumb.

I think the Scandinavian countries are probably the most succesful in the world and the most atheist.
So fuck your God. :bye

Thats a strange view :P I dont agree with you, I think all religions should be discussed.

Its important to discuss everything in our society. Especially religion that has strange views on life and wants to dictate how other people live.

At least we enjoy that freedom where I live. Where people can choose to belive or nat in whatever they want. And can critize if they want. I cant answer how it works in Turkey and that is not my problem, your country your laws.

Can I just ask you, cuz I'm curious, you've been dead, there was nothing, just darkness and now you telling us that?
Oh, thanks dude, now because of this information, we can all stop believing! :lol:

Now, serious, it is stupid to talk about something that can not be proven as true or false!

People are free to believe in everything that makes them feel strong. And I dont think that this is anti-good/free life.

The fanatics are a little bit different from what I am talking about, but maybe if we start thinking from their point of view, the result will be other, anyway this is another topic.

How did life look 100 years ago for you and me? We didnt exist then. But the world did exist and was alive with life and people in the the year 1911. Yet we didnt exist then, we were nothing we didnt feel anything. That sensation will be the same after your death, nothing.

People can believe in anything they want to. But I can also believe that they are stupid and can insult them as much as I want to.

Some people believe in ghosts, I call them stupid. Some people believe in a God, I call them stupid. Some people believe in hell, I call them stupid. You can believe anything you want, but so can I.

And as Estocolmo said, you dont remember anything before you were born and that is the way it will be when you die. I feel sorry for people who go around believing in such silly things as religion, they go around whole their life living in a irrational lie. It is just sad and I will never understand it because there are no rationality behind it.

No Islam ruined the middle east. Once the middle east was the greatest civilisation on earth and then Muhammed came with his fucking religion and you stopped producing new ideas based on science.

The darkest times in every civilisation is when religion has been the strongest. And the brightest times is when science and logic rule.

he is fake account,don't take him seriously.

ORTHODOX IS THE HOLYEST RELIGION PAST DOWN
AND PROSEVED IN THE MOST ORIGINAL WAY DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR ON ABOUT WHEN YOUR PEOPLE HUNG OUR PRISTS AND SHOT UP OUR CHURCHES STOLEN LAND SLAVERY FUGED HISTERY

YHE YOUR NUMBER 1 HA HA VERY FUNNY MOFO


" HAGIA SOFIA CONSTANTINOPLE "




ITS NO CMPATITION YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIVE PEOPLE MAKE OUT LIKE WHAT HAS DONE WELL WHAT DO YOU WANT EVERY THING COULD BE SWEET
TO MANY GREDY DUM CUNTS IN THE WORLD FORCE PEOPLE AWAY GREDY FUCKS ALL THEY WANT IS CASH AND TO SUCK EVERY LAST BIT YOU TILL THEY DRIVE YOU AWAY TO HATERET ALL WE HAVE IS TO BELIVE AND LIVE YOU LIFE TO THE MAX AS WERE ONLY HERE FOR A SHORT TIME

WERE ALL SINERS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER
NO ONE IS PERFICT


I THINK 1 GOOD THING IS TO HELP PEOPLE LESS FORTUNET THEN
OUR SELVES I READ THIS ARTICAL ON BIG FOOD COMPANYS THAT FO EXAMPAL WILL HAVE MILEONS OF DOLLERS WERTH OF FOOD THAY KNOW THAT THAY WONT SELL BUT WILL NOT GIVE IT TO THE POOR THAY WOULD RATHER SE IT IN LAND FILL AS THE GREDY CUNTS CANT STAND TO LOOSE MONEY WOULD RATHER NO ONE GET IT DOGS GREDY SCUM
THEN THEY SAY PEOPLE ARE STARVING AND GODS TO BLAME HA HA HA

if you know what follows after death, no one would want to live here ...


I believe in God , i believe in Jesus , without faith in God, the meaning of life on earth would not exist


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@A.F.C.A in bosnia and herzegovina live more christians than muslims ;)

Atheists who preach to the religious are just as bad as those religious who preach to others. Allow cunts to make their own choices. Personally I couldn't give a fuck about anything, more interested in studying the form guide for the trots and dogs :correct

Is there god? I dont know, but I believe there is something or someone who is watching us, maybe Its god, maybe its not...
I hope if god exist, I hope he has no mercy, I hope he is revengfull, I hope he is gonna cut down all scum from the face of Earth.

I wish that famous sentence from taxi driver movie come true.
-Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets-

This is just some from my head, maybe its stupid :mrgreen: .
Anyway we can all agree that being religious fanatic is wasting your life, I fell pity for those people not experiense real life. Dont do that, dont do this, fuck me.

Love this song.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxh-FfElY0M[/YOUTUBE]

You atheists are looking at the complexity and beauty of the world around us and you want to say that there is absolutely nobody behind it? Like the whole world created on its own, accidentally? You must be kidding.

I don't understand atheists asking for proves?
You can not prove that there is God because you can not see Him, but can you see pain, sadness, happiness and you still believe in it?
You can not persuade 10people here that atheism is better than religion, and how millions were persuaded to take Christianity in that time for such a short period?
Someone else mentioned that ultras can not be religious because they do everything against religion, but think about it regular people do drugs, fight and do stuff they shouldn't, nobody is without sins..
And please explain be evolution theory, why the modern world have not seen one single monkey evolve into human into the past 2million years? there is no actual proof behind Darwin theory..

Richard Dawkins explains
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh0F4FBLJRE[/YOUTUBE]

Here is longer

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhX2Kas558[/YOUTUBE]


I also recommend people starting to read books instead of hanging around this forum to much. The God Delusional is a great book.

The answer is beyond the reasons made up by Humans.
We know nothing. Religion was made for Law&Order. Nothing else.

Richard Dawkins said, the religion is root of all evil in the world. Many atheist pray to this quote, while I don't.

I am not religious at all, neither I am completely atheist. I am something more between atheist-agnostic and the main thing is I really don't care much about religion, trying to live my life without involving praying/hating other people that believe in different god than I do etc..


Religion has it place as well, every discussion about religion will hit the same wall as always, there is no proof that GOD exist, neither we can deny his existence. People can benefit from religion if they keep it simple, some religions can be really good guide to life. If you want to live calm and pure life.

The main thing here are people, PEOPLE ARE ROOT OF ALL EVIL IN THE WORLD. Almost 50% of wars were caused by religion, do you really believe that if religion doesn't exist there will be no more wars?
Religion is only an excuse, leaders manipulate people, they motivate them to give their life for it country, and we all know that manipulating trough religion is the strongest.
Many people even nowadays will give their life for religion! While smart people abuse that. It is all about money and glory! And it will always be..
We are small fishes in this deep ocean, we can't change that but we can understand that and we can fight versus that!

Be religious but don't hate, people now only need reason to hate someone.

There are Abrahams religions, belief in one GOD..
Judaism/Christianity/Islam they are very similar, rules are changed in dependence of geographical place where religion occur and of the time when religion occur.

I have read few comments and I just don't believe how much manipulated haters we have here.

I know a lot of religious people, one with knowledge about their religions, they are really my good friends! I also know few 'religious' people that abound with hatred and bloodlust.

It is only about people! You are either bad or good!



After all is it really important in who we believe? Will it change anything?
I don't believe in god, but I would like to believe that there is hell for those people who did terrible things. This is one short life, live it good people. Clean your brain of predjuices.

Therer is no god/alah/or whatever you call it, there is no higher force or spirit up there in heaven

there is only

When you invoke a creator, your only making your problem worse and bigger.

The problem is that if something complex (nature & life as you say) comes from something even more complex ( a creator, a god), then you have to explain god too. If god created everything. Then who created god? Where did god come from? Why does he do it? Who created the one who created god and so on?

The design argument is self defeating.

If you ask me what was first - egg or chicken, fuck, I dont know :D

It's not some big "design argument", it's just down-to-earth logic. Let me give you this example: if I show you for instance a painting or a car and claim that absolutely nobody made it you wouldn't believe me and eventually call me crazy. And now we have the whole world with its amazing complexity and suddenly there is no author of it? It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

What does not make sense is that some people believe instead of just science and nature that some "God" exists with some sort of moral rules he want the humans to follow. And the same God controls everything and have created everything.

It is this that dont make sense. It cant be so simple. It is just like racists and nationalists who want to make big questions more simple and just take the first simple explanation because it is easier to understand or comprehend.

"Why do niggers commit more crime in the US?" Racist: "Because there black and have less IQ and have more violent genes."
Or you can choose to look at more socio-economic, historical, cultural and structural questions. It is harder but gives a much more true picture.

But even if you dont tell me who made the car someone still made it! It is the same with the earth and life. Science explains this. The Big Bang and all of that the scientist have looked for evidence in our history and found explanations on how everything works.

You know when you say something like that it makes me think how people thought 700 years ago. 700 years ago people didnt know where and how lightning came from. So their explanation was god. Its a simple answer to everything, because in those days they didnt have the knowledge or tools to find out how things really work.

Today we know where and how lightnings come from, this is because science can explain that for us!

I am sure that in time scientist and researchers will eventually find answers on even more complex philosophical questions.

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God didnt create man. Man created God. God was created by man in a time when our society wasnt advanced enough to give us an explanation to all of this. Today science answers question after question on so many things tells us the real story on how life and universe is.

People need to realise that it's not simply a case of either believing in God in a conventional religious way, or being an atheist - it's more complex than that. You can believe that there was a creator behind everything, who is explained through science - 'God' in this instance, is science, the two are inseparable. And as for this being a more complicated solution because it raises the question of who created God, it's not - God is the very essence of being, of anything existing at all. You can believe in 'God' or whatever you want to call it, without being religious.

opium of the people...

I believe God always was and always will be. An Infinite Being.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe that the Earth just came to be out of nothing, or that our universe always existed?

If so, then how is believing in God any more complicated then those examples?

I don't mean to single you out, but I'm curious about your belief regarding the existence of our planet and people.