Title: DRAFT: Repeal of Abortion Rights
Frisbeeteria - December 10, 2004 03:37 AM (GMT)
I'm tired of all the whining about Abortion Rights, and all the horrid and biased repeal proposals out there, so I wrote my own. Anyone wanna help me get this in place?
By the way, I usually consider myself pro-choice, but this Resolution is too much of a fundamental inequity for the UN to support.
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Repeal Abortion Rights
(a) The issue of Abortion Rights is one of the most divisive and fractious concepts facing the worlds of NationStates. The opposing factions, commonly referred to as "pro-life" and "pro-choice", cannot by their very nature reach consensus or arrive at any middle ground, due to the nature of the issue.
(b) In very simplified form, the supporters known as Pro-life believe that abortion is the pre-meditated murder of a living soul, and that the government has the obligation to prevent such murders, given the opportunity to do so. The supporters known as Pro-choice will not willingly relinquish the rights of the mother, believing that the government should not have the power to make such a choice for them. ( c) Resolution 61, Abortion Rights, passed Sat Jun 5 2004, states, "Henceforth all women shall have the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not, no member nation will interfere with a woman's right to have an abortion"
(1) Having considered that the ongoing nature of this debate has made this organization one of Divided Nations rather than United Nations,
(2) Recognizing that the opposing sides cannot come to a compromise, due to fundamental and irreconcilable differences,
(3) Observing that the language of Resolution 61, Abortion Rights, in no way recognizes, acknowledges, or provides compromises towards the legitimate grievances of a significant proportion of the United Nations membership,
(4) Reaffirming the values espoused by the supporters of the Pro-choice position, that such monumental decisions should not be taken from them by force of governmental edict,
(5) Calls upon the membership to return this choice to the individual members and nations, and remove this language from the code of international law. |
Ecopoeia - December 10, 2004 10:24 AM (GMT)
Looks good to me, let me know when it's submitted and I'll ask my delegate - Hippietania - to support it. That said, the ACA has almost concluded a draft 'extension' of the law that considerably softens the blow of the original resolution.
The problem I've noticed recently is that a repeal isn't enough for the more vocal pro-lifers in the UN. They want anti-abortion legislation to follow. Kind of like wanting your cake with a cherry on top and then eating it while being fanned by concubines who profess their undying love for you. It's a really damn fine cake, too.
Knootoss - December 10, 2004 01:50 PM (GMT)
"GRRRR"
~Knootian opinion on issues restricting civil rights.
If you do that, anti-abortion legislation will follow.
Telidia - December 10, 2004 02:04 PM (GMT)
Well firstly I am pro-choice though most of you probably already know that and I think your arguments in the repeal are fair Frisbeeteria.
That said, I agree with Eco, the majority of those seeking repeal do in fact want to ban abortion all together and the minute the repeal happens I feel we are going to have just as many ban abortion proposals/debates as those for repeal. In my humble opinion those seeking repeal hide behind the national sovereignty argument and debate us to death in the hopes that we will finally agree to that argument and bring a repeal.
Personally I have been advocating a new proposal rather than a repeal for a little while now and in fact I have even managed to talk round a few more conservative nations to my way of thinking. I feel the UN should make its position clear on abortion and with a new proposal to lessen the blow a little for our friends on the other side of the fence, I feel we could put this issue to rest somewhat. I have in fact been working on a proposal myself, though Eco if you don’t mind, it would be great to work with the ACA and combine our thinking, if that will be permitted.
Ecopoeia - December 10, 2004 02:31 PM (GMT)
Absolutely no problem, Telidia (T? Tel? Teli? Lid? Lidia? Lydia? Guess I'm lucky with my easily-abbreviated name!).
ACA/CACE boards:
http://invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?act=idxBasically, I'll support Fris' repeal or a good notanamendmentnonono, whichever comes first.
HotRodia - December 10, 2004 05:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Telidia @ Dec 10 2004, 02:04 PM) |
| That said, I agree with Eco, the majority of those seeking repeal do in fact want to ban abortion all together and the minute the repeal happens I feel we are going to have just as many ban abortion proposals/debates as those for repeal. In my humble opinion those seeking repeal hide behind the national sovereignty argument and debate us to death in the hopes that we will finally agree to that argument and bring a repeal. |
Fortunately for y'all, those wacky conservatives will never be able to get a resolution outlawing abortion passed, even if the Abortion Rights Resolution is repealed. The UN constituency is much too liberal to allow abortion to be outlawed.
Toriella Thiten - December 10, 2004 09:52 PM (GMT)
Frisbeeteria - December 10, 2004 10:28 PM (GMT)
Telidia - December 10, 2004 10:29 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (HotRodia @ Dec 10 2004, 05:41 PM) |
| Fortunately for y'all, those wacky conservatives will never be able to get a resolution outlawing abortion passed, even if the Abortion Rights Resolution is repealed. The UN constituency is much too liberal to allow abortion to be outlawed. |
Indeed that may be the case, but like Tori said (hope you don’t mind the abbreviation, let me know if you do) never, say never. Besides I do feel the UN should make its position known, we do so on any other controversial issue, what is so different here? I agree this issue is divisive, but I feel no more than gay marriage or any other of the more fundamental matters.
Knootoss - December 10, 2004 11:01 PM (GMT)
As I told Fris (on IRC) I might argue against this one if I have the time.
I feel Fris' reasoning that 'free choice' for states (players) is a value is flaud. IMO NS nations have billions of individuals who need free choice. Human rights are a matter of rights for individuals, not nations IMO. To present a law that will ban free choice in a moral matter as a free choice argument is mildly offensive, IMO.
HotRodia - December 11, 2004 06:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Telidia @ Dec 10 2004, 10:29 PM) |
| QUOTE (HotRodia @ Dec 10 2004, 05:41 PM) | | Fortunately for y'all, those wacky conservatives will never be able to get a resolution outlawing abortion passed, even if the Abortion Rights Resolution is repealed. The UN constituency is much too liberal to allow abortion to be outlawed. |
Indeed that may be the case, but like Tori said (hope you don’t mind the abbreviation, let me know if you do) never, say never. Besides I do feel the UN should make its position known, we do so on any other controversial issue, what is so different here? I agree this issue is divisive, but I feel no more than gay marriage or any other of the more fundamental matters.
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There's nothing different here. As usual, I see no need for the type of UN interference that keeps occurring.
TBlack - December 11, 2004 07:17 PM (GMT)
I'm afraid we support the current legislation.
Lady Desdemona of Merwell,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States