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Markopolo - November 2, 2005 01:03 AM (GMT)
Well, yous guys might be a little surprised that it took me so long to get into this area......but since we're all "family" here, I'll start:

I've been looking a lot at the ESAB website lately. It looks like quite a company !

There's a place on their site that you can download magazines, so I grabbed one of the "Svetsarer" rags (just for some good reading while I'm laying in the crib tonight).

Does anyone have something good or bad to say about ESAB ?.....(It looks like it could be almost as great as the almighty Lincoln Electric !

Thanks, Marko. :)

Scott V - November 2, 2005 01:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Markopolo @ Nov 2 2005, 01:03 AM)
Well, yous guys might be a little surprised that it took me so long to get into this area......but since we're all "family" here, I'll start:

I've been looking a lot at the ESAB website lately. It looks like quite a company !

There's a place on their site that you can download magazines, so I grabbed one of the "Svetsarer" rags (just for some good reading while I'm laying in the crib tonight).

Does anyone have something good or bad to say about ESAB ?.....(It looks like it could be almost as great as the almighty Lincoln Electric !

Thanks, Marko. :)

Wait till they buy Lincoln outright. :o

What machines are you looking at? I might of had it. :D

I traded a blue one plus cash for this model.
It kicks butt on the other units in it's class.
In the basic model, it's been out longer then
the Lincoln and Miller 250 amp machines combined.
Lots of Linde 225 in this unit.

Markopolo - November 2, 2005 02:08 AM (GMT)
Thanks Scotty........I'm wondering if they build their own machines, or do they just buy "Chinky-Crap" and re-badge it ?

Actually, I've got some good machines.......I was wondering about their consumables......Sticks, Mig. wire...........stuff like that.

One of the "great ones" on the old (brand "x") board, namely: John McCracken typed that he actually preferred ESAB sticks to Lincoln !...(6010, I assume).

Scott V - November 2, 2005 03:48 AM (GMT)
I used a some of their stick stuff and it's good.
The wire is generally great stuff but spendy.

It depends what Esab machines you buy as to where they are made.
Sometimes they will import Esabs from Sweden/Italy/Hungary/ etc.

Most of the migs 250 and above are made in South Carolina.
Some of the Aristro pulse inverters are from Sweden.
I look at Esab on a case by case basis as to which
one to buy. Just like I do with Miller/Lincoln/Thermal-arc.

I wish they would bring their engine drives in to spice
up things for the other guys. Although I would still buy
a Lincoln over anything at this point.

Franzę - November 2, 2005 04:12 AM (GMT)
I'll second JT's opinion on the rods. The distributor I buy from is moving a lot of ESAB rod, and it seems to store and perform well.

Esab also offers up a lot of information on line, unlike some companys.

Markopolo - November 3, 2005 02:06 AM (GMT)
Uncle Franz.......It's interesting.....

ESAB boldly proclaims (on it's label): "Union-Made in the U.S.A."

Hobart "Weld-It" brand also say's: "Made in U.S.A."

With Lincoln, it's a "flip-of-the-coin" between U.S.A and Mexico.

Radnor (Airgas badge for Lincoln) is ALWAYS Mexico.

Don't get me wrong.....I'm not saying that just because something is made here, it's better. . . . .BUT ! . . . . .

....If I have the option of keeping my money in THIS COUNTRY......... I'M GONNA' DO IT ! ! !

Franzę - November 3, 2005 02:29 AM (GMT)
Marko my boy, since we all learned a couple years back, what made in the USA really means back in our days on the HoFart site, I place damn little confidence in that statement any more regardless of who makes it.

Like you, I'd rather keep my money here, but when I buy a Chevy, I don't get real happy I need metric tools to work on it, and that shut's been happenin since 78 that I know of. I also bought a Yanmar tractor back in 80 cause I was damned if I'd pay $2000- extra to buy the same machine with a John Deer label on it, given that there was a picture of the assembly line on the dealer's wall showing the 2 brands coming down the same line behind each other.

Lincoln and ITW are building machines all over the world, and both claim they are "made in the USA" so I guess it don't much matter where ESAB makes what.
ESAB's "Union Made" label is just some smartazz in their marketing department trying to stirr up shyt on the shop floor.

Hell, till a year ago, I was the biggest advocate of buying from the local supplier, and I had a 40 year relationship with my current local supplier. That changed the day he billed me $14- for an electrode and tip for my Plasma machine, and they weren't the right parts. I can buy the same tip & electrode set from an online supplier for under $3- and they are the right parts. Now, I'll price shop components. That's just good business.

Scott V - November 3, 2005 07:48 AM (GMT)
(Hobart "Weld-It" brand also say's: "Made in U.S.A.")


Have you looked at a box of Hobart HB-28 or Mckay lately.
I could be from Ohio but more likely from India, and about
five other places.

DDA52 - November 3, 2005 03:24 PM (GMT)
Yeah, but don't get HB-28 mixed up with Hobart's Weld it. They are two different animals. Hobart Brothers still makes HB-28 and Weldit is some El Cheapo knock off made by God knows who. Hobart Brothers still deny it's existence...esp since they don't make or market it. :rolleyes:

When you read the fine, fine print on Lincoln and yes, my favorite HB-28, it will say made in the USA with domestic and foreign components. I'm guessing the spool is domestic and the wire is foreign. Makes sense at least.

Myself, I could care less where it is made. I just care that it works as it is supposed to. Most of my wire is Italian. It is all working just fine. Although some days, there is a slight hint of Oregano in the air. :blink: :D

Scott V - November 3, 2005 03:35 PM (GMT)
Don,
it might say that, but it now gives about 5 countrys where it could be made.
The Mckay wire (I need to look up #) is HB-28 now.
I am pretty sure the BR-6 Hobart is still made in Troy.
I like it better the HB-28. I have the 250 Migmasters set up with with
both wires.

DDA52 - November 4, 2005 05:55 AM (GMT)
Next time I go to Welders Supply in town, I'll look for the BR-6. Sounds like I may like it. Probably won't find it, but I'll look anyway. I am still working on my big roll of Pinnacle. It is Italian. It acts just like HB-28, IMO. I like it anyway. Still have about 20-25 lbs left. Don't think I'll be getting more wire soon.

Scott V - November 4, 2005 06:29 PM (GMT)
I like the BR-6 mostly because 60lb spools fit my machine. Airgas has
some suplus for $20.00 a roll. I like the seperate feeder over a all
in you unit for that very reason. It's kind of like the 12vs over 8vs setup
when you look for wire.

Scott V - November 5, 2005 05:25 AM (GMT)
Don,
I tried the BR-6 in the 250 plus machines.
It was not anywhere as good in the short-arc
as HB-28.

I tried it side by side in the matching machines.
I took the BR-6 wire out one machine and put in
HB-28 and it helped calm the real real bitey arc.
It cleaned it up a bunch. The esab when turned up
runs 75/25 is pretty aggressive so unless I messed
with the inductance tap I could not mellow out the
BR-6 enough for my liking.


I then ran it in my 350 mpi (Br-6) and it's
excellent. Just like I would of thought it
would of been in the 250 machines??


DDA52 - November 5, 2005 06:12 AM (GMT)
Ever try it in a 210?

Scott V - November 5, 2005 06:51 AM (GMT)
Nope, but it might be ok because of the somewhat softer arc of the 210.
The esab 250 really digs/burns in with the HB-28. Something I do not think
happens on the 210. Although it might with .035?
If I get a chance to run one in the new future I will let you know.
I never see one used to try unless it's new at a show.
Shadetree did not like BR-6 at all in his machine. Those
MM350 do have a real sharp arc, so I think know why.
The esab set on co2 is just as sharp so I just wonder why
it runs it so nice? Could it be esab knows how to make a
inverter that welds right???

Anyway wire seems to make a huge difference in some
machines more then others. It a very good way to tailor
you arc qualitys you like in a machine. I thought with
solid wire it would all be pretty minor, but I finding
it's a major deal, depending on the machine of course.

DDA52 - November 5, 2005 03:16 PM (GMT)
I guess I'll have to start paying more attention. Having been brought up in the field welding with sticks, we didn't ever pay any attention to that kind of stuff much. If it worked, we used it. Simple. Plus, in the field, you just can't worry about all the little details like you can in the shop.

I now am dying of curiosity....well not dying, but definitely curious about the wire diff's. I may need to pick up some L-56, HB-28 and another and try them out in the 210...just to see IF there is a difference. Now I just need to find the time... :P

nate - May 24, 2006 02:06 AM (GMT)
this is an old topic i know, but yes esab is big and they as a whole have been around longer than lincoln and miller , fist bottled acetylene right after 1900, ( presto-lite )invented plasma machines, check out the history line on the website home page...very intresting, took me a few years to get into them at first , in my area now the store and warehouse is half yellow.... :D




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