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Title: He bought a WELDUR thingy
Description: Could this be Moody's new identity?

Franz© - October 29, 2005 01:36 AM (GMT)

"I just bought a welder off of ebay. Item 7555496092

Does anyone know who Arcos is? I know its three phase, but I'm betting it will work on single, or I'll throw an inverter at it.

If Arcos wasn't the maker, does it look like a rebadged miller, etc? I'm hoping this will make a good nice toy for me, so any help would be appreciated."

And he's sure he knows about it,
"I figure at that price I'm already ahead.....I just hope it fits in the bed of a pickup....wonder what something like that weighs (I have an overhead crane in my garage.

I'm going to get the welder, and the wirefeeder...don't see much use for a sub arc flux thingy....anyone know what that is?

I checked out the company, saw they made consumables and have for years.....thats why I'm hoping its a rebadged big brand welder....looks beefy as all heck.....I don't think I'll ever in a million years utilize it to the fullest...hoping it lasts forever."

But, wait, I thought he knew about it,
"Of course, called Arcos and they have no clue.

Miller however did know and of course it was a CP-500e in their line. They are looking to see if they have a manual to sell me, no electronic copy exists.....I'm gonna have some fun next weekend.

Is this a transformer based welder, or one of those electric motor types?"

And, after he was told,
"Yes and no....I can convert single if needed. I don't need all the amperage, so I'll obviously be derated at capacity."
When he was told a second time,
"Can it be done with a Variable Frequency Drive, or a Rotary Phase Converter?"

The best part, after he was told it will eat power,
"Cool, so I won't need to heat my garage in the winter if I get this set up"

Even better, he asked the seller if he can abandon the cylinder positioner.

There probably isn't any point in telling this guy the wire will come in barrels, and he will really need the SubArc thingy, and a few barrels of flux.

john pen - October 29, 2005 12:49 PM (GMT)
Where's that from ?

arcdawg - October 29, 2005 08:32 PM (GMT)
no its not made by me ARCODOGO


Franz© - October 30, 2005 03:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (arcdawg @ Oct 29 2005, 03:32 PM)
no its not made by me ARCODOGO


I'd be willing to bet a whole US Dollar it was made by Miller for Airco at least 20 years before ARCDAWGO was an evil thought.

I might even bet ArcyBarker never even ran one, let alone came in contact with one of these machines.

arcdawg - October 31, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
arco or airco......? we had a orange tig welder on the loading docks at my last shop....AIRCO


Franz© - November 1, 2005 01:14 AM (GMT)
What that guy bought is a SubArc machine, COMPLETE, and the damn fool has no flippin idea what it is.
SubArc was the first step beyond stick, back in the 50s, with a barrel of wire and several barrels of flux, that appeared and felt like sand. In today's world, SubArc has largely been replaced by Spray MIG, but 50 years ago, it was the setup, if you were running heavy weldments, and could position them properly.
It ran really well on tractors, doing fillets on bridge beams, and other such applications. Like anything else though, when SubArc screws up, it really screws up. The process had a second drawback, it could only be run flat. You had to tack up the assembly with stick, and then position it for SubArc welding.

Crapperpillar, the pussy power people, have been having a shutload of problems with their hydraulic cylinders for the last few years, because the ends are being welded to the tubes with SubArc equipment. The people who ran it for years are now retired, and the "educated" people running the plant have no idea how to run the process. They will soon be sending all cylinder welding off shore to solve the problem.

The funny part of this clown's buying a SubArc, is that he bought a complete setup, for doing cylinders, and in his questions to the seller, he asks if he can leave the positioner behind, or has to take it too. Hell, the positioner is probably worth more than the machine and SubArc equipment, and he wants to leave it behind.

Arcy, those old AirCo TIGS were good machines, BUT, they used a couple vacuum tubes in the HiFreq, and if those went, you were screwed. The tubes were no longer available back in the late 80s. They were built for AirCo by Miller. They also had copper wound transformers, and BigAzz sylenium rectifiers. There are still some of them running today. You can get around any problem in them other than a transformer or HiFreq.

JoeJ - November 14, 2005 07:33 PM (GMT)
:rolleyes: Franz,

Been in 2 shops that used Sub Arc. The first, where I learned how to run one was Dyn-A-Pac manufacturing. They make the heavy rollers, *LOL* Steam Rollers to the younger set.

The second was a pressure tank shop. I was smart enough by then to tell them I knew about as much as the fella your quoting.

But by god, if you wanted a long, snotty non stop bead, they would do her!!

The first one was set up with the tilt table kinda rollers and the second was over flat rollers and pretty much ran the beam.

;) But Franz, if it wasn't for fellas like that, where would good belly laughs come from :D.

Franz© - November 15, 2005 12:17 AM (GMT)
Joe, about all ya can really say about that guy was that he was bound and determined to prove to the whole damn world he's STUCK ON STUPID!

First, he left the most valuable part of the deal, the cylinder positioner, behind.

Then he insisted he could make a 3Ř power supply work on single phase.

Then, he insisted he could run the machine on singleŘ, and use it as MIG.

The laughing ended real quick when he proved he wasn't going to listen. Like my Old Man used to say, a smart man needs no advice, and a fool won't take any.

I figure he probably loaded the machine in the back of an S-10 class pickup, tied it on with clothes line, and headed down the superslab in warpdrive.

The odd thing is he hasn't posted back to say how well the project was working out.

Subarc is an excellent process, in the right application, when run by somebody who knows what they are doing, and it's also a pain in the azz shoveling the sand back up. It damn well ain't MIG.

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