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Indytoolbox - November 28, 2011 02:05 AM (GMT)
Any of you folks have any Forklifts?

I seem to have problem with them reproducing like rabbits at my place. Once somebody sees you're a sucker for an old crappy lift, they say "hey, my brother's neighbor's friend's uncle has one just like that rusting in the backroom of his shop". Then the next day the brother's, neighbor's friend's uncle rings you right up and says "I hear you want to buy my old crappy forklift".

And so you do, and pretty soon you have forklift projects out the Ying Yang.

Right now I got a 2000lb Clark propane that I'm trying to get running, that I drug home because it has parts just like my 2500lb Clark that needs some parts - but the doner was too good to scavenge from, so I'm working it up....

Anybody else have this problem?



Franzİ - November 28, 2011 04:02 AM (GMT)
NAW, people know I'm too damn cheap to pay for a forklift. Only take the ones that are trucked in free of charge.

Come to think, I need some decent steering tires for my Clark. The guy I had at the forklift shop went and retired without sending them to me.

Forklifts - used- are barely worth scrap value around here. One shop that specializes in used machines hasn't sold one over 3 years now, and is insisting on good deposit check with any machine coming in for repair.

Now if you got a way to send machines to Texas there might be money to be made.

tackit - November 28, 2011 09:09 AM (GMT)
I'm just a pissant, never get into heavy projects or work so I've never needed one.

I have bucket on my small tractor that has been serving my lifting needs. I put a hole for a 2" ball in the bucket's cutting edge to hang slings off of to move things around the place.

Franzİ - November 28, 2011 05:10 PM (GMT)
Ain't that I needed the Clark. My Yanmar was all I needed, but the Clark was free, and it cost me money to move, and I didn't have a floor to use it on, so I put it in Joel's shop. I get to use it when I'm over there. Joel has heat all winter.
It was a very sound business move.

Indytoolbox - November 28, 2011 07:23 PM (GMT)
Sound business move? For you or for Joel?

I've had tractors, but I'm amazed at what more I can get done with a forklift in the shop. I use those suckers continuously.

Franzİ - November 28, 2011 09:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Indytoolbox @ Nov 28 2011, 02:23 PM)
Sound business move? For you or for Joel?

I've had tractors, but I'm amazed at what more I can get done with a forklift in the shop. I use those suckers continuously.

I'd say both.
The machine lives comfortably in his shop.
Joel maintains the machine.
If I need it I have full use.
I feed it propane.

Joel also has the floor the machine can operate on.
I have full use of Joel's shop when I need it.
My #2 horizontal mill and carving router live there too.
So does my tool grinder
They are warm all winter.
Joel pays their electric bills.
I can usually get Joel to do the milling, and I don't like spinning cranks on a mill.

Ayup, good deal all around.
Now if I find an old Yale Stevedore crane or an airport crane with off road tires it is an entirely different story. I really need neither, so I ain't looking hard.

Indytoolbox - November 29, 2011 02:33 AM (GMT)
Sounds like a good deal.

What #2 mill do you have.

I just finished refurbishing my K&T plain #2.

I'm trying to mount a Bridgy head on the overarms, but gotta build a mount.

Franzİ - November 29, 2011 05:11 AM (GMT)
I think the one that's running is Brown & Sharp

The spare might be Reed

Indytoolbox - November 30, 2011 05:30 AM (GMT)
I was so proud of myself that I got that old Clark truck running tonight. This one I just got is about a 1972 C20B with a 9 foot mast and my old one is about a 1966 C25P with a 12 foot mast. They are really small pneumatic tire propane trucks, and the newer one is short enough it will go through a residential garage door.

I got it running once I figured out how to get the stupid spark plug wires on right.

I thought the distributor cap was bad, so I pulled the one out of my original Clark (that is older, but looks identical and runs OK) and put the cap on the newer one I just got. The plug wires were on different - I thought somebody must have threaded them wrong - so I threaded them exactly like the one I've had for awhile - nothing.

Then I figured out the whole distributor wasn't tightened and was rattling around. There was no way to find any kind of a timing mark, so I just started rotating the distributor about 5 degrees at a time, and cranking it with a shot of ether. Battery wouldn't turn it over, so I jumped it with my pickup. Still no dice.

Then I figured out that it appeared the distributor was backwards from the other clark truck I have. Light bulb went off - they hadn't threaded the wires wrong - the engine runs the opposite direction from my other machine! :blink: Why they would do that, I have no idea.

I went back to the original cap, put the wires back in place, and I got a spark and a single pop. Did the 5 degrees at a time distributor dance, and finally it lit off!

Smoked like a chimney for about 5 minutes, then settled down real smooth. I let her warm up - moved the distributor around until it seemed to run the best at all RPM's and buttoned her up and tried it out . It worked - the lift, the tilt - so I dropped the seat down and hopped on it. It drove too. Brakes are a little scary, but not bad for a scrap truck.

That sucker runs and steers better than the one I had originally. They said it hadn't run in at least 5-10 years, and couldn't figure out why they stopped using it.

Sorry for the boring story. I had brag somewhere...

Franzİ - November 30, 2011 06:39 AM (GMT)
Reminds me of the 50s Towmotor I gave my kid helper when we liquidated the pallet factory. One of the little bugs that you sit beside the F162 Continental. Joel told him the thing needed a cap, rotor & condenser. Tommy had a lot of hit & miss experience, and tried getting the machine going. He fought the continental for 2 nights, no go. The third night he slipped a rotor & condenser into the distributor and got it going. He drove it over to the rolloff, and grinned like a chipmunk going past Joel. He even pointed out the original cap in place. Joel just grinned back. He knew Tommy got lucky and had slipped the rotor & condenser in.

If you can't find timing marks the thumb over #1 plug hole works. Worst case a small rubber ball or a rubber cork sitting over #1 plug hole will fly when the cylinder goes to compression.

Lot to be said for walking off and having coffee sometimes when you work on those things, before you screw something up.

The one I have came with the goodluck brake system. What lining was left proved to be paper thin when we filled the master cylinder. Lot to be said for having kin working for the forklift dealer, especially kin who know where they put all the antique parts when they took them out of inventory. Beat hell out of having to rivet new lining on.

I think I still have a stash of the parking brake handles.

Main - December 2, 2011 01:30 PM (GMT)
A few months ago my Allis Chalmers was starting a little hard. Found I had little spark at the points. No problem, new set of points and back in business. The problem just started again. Changed the cap, rotor, points, condenser and back in action. Now I'm losing spark at the points again. WTF. I starts but it starts but very reluctantly. I'll fiddle with it later.
Sucks because I use it to load and unload lobstah pot anchors and for other things.

Here it is helping me modify an brand new crapsman LT2000 for a customer.

JT Metalworks - December 2, 2011 04:51 PM (GMT)
What are they using that thing for?

Franzİ - December 2, 2011 06:27 PM (GMT)
Looks like Main's building a tourbus for lobsta tourists.

JT you missed it, he snuck a bridge crane in the shop coveertly.

If the AC is propane you might be having a vaporizer issue. Also how's the battery voltage?

Main - December 2, 2011 09:47 PM (GMT)
I just checked and the interstate battery that is less than a year old is at 12.9 volts and showing 90% charge.
I have to do a small job for an old timer that had the same fork lift and he's an excellent mechanic. When I finish the job I'll call him up and when he comes over,, well you can guess the rest. In the meantime I'll clean every electrical connection I can.
The machine is propane and there could be an issue there.

Main - December 2, 2011 10:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JT Metalworks @ Dec 2 2011, 11:51 AM)
What are they using that thing for?

I can play that Bet you can't guess what this is game also.
I've had the opportunity to use the finished tractor for its intended purpose and the thing works just pissa. It even makes money every time I use it.

JT Metalworks - December 2, 2011 10:38 PM (GMT)
I'm guessing it's some kind of dock truck.

Indytoolbox - December 3, 2011 12:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Main @ Dec 2 2011, 08:30 AM)
A few months ago my Allis Chalmers was starting a little hard. Found I had little spark at the points. No problem, new set of points and back in business. The problem just started again. Changed the cap, rotor, points, condenser and back in action. Now I'm losing spark at the points again. WTF. I starts but it starts but very reluctantly. I'll fiddle with it later.
Sucks because I use it to load and unload lobstah pot anchors and for other things.

Here it is helping me modify an brand new crapsman LT2000 for a customer.

I've forgotten how to work on those old distributors. Weak Points?

Franzİ - December 3, 2011 01:20 AM (GMT)
You guys are forgetting to factor in Charlie's Summer gig at the park. He's using that contrivance to sell something to dumbazz tourists from. Might be ice cream or it might be hotdogs, but if he's screwin tourists more power to him.

Actually, I might just look into extending a Bolens to use as a gimpmobile at the Alexander Steamshow next Summer since the sh!theads running it screwed up the gimp parking location. Tandem seating for LN, well if I don't use a good muffler I won't be able to hear her.

Franzİ - December 3, 2011 01:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Main @ Dec 2 2011, 04:47 PM)
I just checked and the interstate battery that is less than a year old is at 12.9 volts and showing 90% charge.
I have to do a small job for an old timer that had the same fork lift and he's an excellent mechanic. When I finish the job I'll call him up and when he comes over,, well you can guess the rest. In the meantime I'll clean every electrical connection I can.
The machine is propane and there could be an issue there.

Inline neon spark tester will tell the story on spark. Generally those machines have neglected points, cap, rotor & CONDENSER.

If it ain't spark it's the damn vaporizer.

Main - December 3, 2011 01:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Franzİ @ Dec 2 2011, 08:22 PM)
Generally those machines have neglected points, cap, rotor & CONDENSER.


Nope, new cap, rotor, points and condenser. I will have good spark at the points, observed with cap off. Starts fine. Later it doesn't want to start and very little spark at the points again observed with the cap off. Points are new and gap never changed. I'm thinking bad coil.

JT Metalworks - December 3, 2011 02:12 AM (GMT)
Coil getting hot would do it.

Franzİ - December 3, 2011 04:54 AM (GMT)
While I normally avoid agreeing with JT the symptoms indicate coil or primary wire from coil to distributor.

There's a lot to be said for copper test lead wore on forklifts & SA 200 Lincolns.

JT Metalworks - December 3, 2011 08:47 AM (GMT)
I had one in a HEI chevy that had me scratching my head for a couple weeks. When we'd get heavy rain, the truck wouldn't start. Got new wires (no dice), swapped wires with another buddy's truck (making sure new wires weren't crap), then I saw the pattern with the weather and figured I'd do the cap and rotor since wd-40 wasn't fixing it (no cracks or arcing tracks - but there's not much else to replace on those), and then finally did the coil as there was nothing else to do but the module and we swapped that out to test it was good.

As best I can tell, there was just enough rust on the plates that it messed with the field when humidity went up. Talk about annoying.

tackit - December 3, 2011 03:17 PM (GMT)
The next time it's running take a heat gun or hair dryer and heat the coil to see it's the poblem.

Main - December 3, 2011 06:06 PM (GMT)
I'll get around to fiddle'n with it. Right now I'm trying to make the decision of getting off my butt and doing some work of just sit around. Hmmm maybe I'll just go down to the harbor and then the hardware store and call it a day.

Franzİ - December 6, 2011 03:35 AM (GMT)
Figured it out.

Main backs that sucker under a couple tubs of loobstah on the dock and hauls azz with the loobstah while the traphaulers are standing there saying what the hell was that.

It's a loobstah lifter!




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