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JT Metalworks - May 22, 2009 05:53 AM (GMT)
Literally...

Sometimes I just do what the customers ask - here's one I had a big part in designing aside from the length from center of the four points, and the height above ground, and the fact it has to come apart so it can fit in the bed of a pickup with a topper, and that it has to have a receiver tube that it fits into so the base can be sunk in concrete. Yeah, I came up with the arches and the balls. Turned a stub shaft that's welded into the upright so that the top bars can bolt onto it. Oh, and I came up with the collar to keep rain water out of the receiver, and I made the little pedestal for the top ball to perch on.

It's nice when a guy comes by with 200 in cash and says "let me know what I owe ya and I'll bring the rest when I come get it, but don't make it over 800 or something crazy like that." :o

It still needs the little rings welded on for the feeder's to hook to, and I need to finalize the receiver (put some rebar on it so it doesn't twist). He wanted it rusty, so I started with the crappiest pipe they had in the yard (but they still charged me full price for it - go figger).

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I'll be happy when this is down the road and I can start working on my stock rack. I took the liberty of borrowing the FIL's truck today to get the steel and loaded up with the material to make the rack out of.

Franzİ - May 22, 2009 06:09 AM (GMT)
Well now that sucker has birdchit wanted all over it.

Seems like you oughta heat it up a little and oil the sucker.

Don't forget safety staging for neighborhood squirrels.

JT Metalworks - May 22, 2009 06:28 AM (GMT)
Hot oil would look nice, but that's not part of the agreement. It's to be delivered bare and he wants to let it rust and then determine if he likes the look or not.

Now if I only had a soda blaster to get the rest of the lacquer off... lol I'm not sand (technically I only use slag) blasting the thing - it would get that nice silver matte and I wouldn't want to see it rusted up afterwards.

I've thought about the squirrel issue too, but that also wasn't part of the deal. I have a feeling the feeders are equipped with hoods to deal with that, but 18" isn't much of a jump for the tree rats in my neighborhood. Wrapping it with some bare copper and hooking the leads to a capacitor on 220v would be fun. How many farads would it take to blow the skin right off the carcass? :lol:

Franzİ - May 22, 2009 06:58 AM (GMT)
Them squirrel fellows are tough JT. We have one named Wallenda who walks 30 feet of ĵ strand to get to LN's feeder and toss seeds down to his family.

Number of years back one was doin a workout on the LA on the crossarm and cooked himself with 7200 volts. Killed him deader than shyt but he looked peaceful layin there on the ground. Didn't even singe his fur.

Main - May 22, 2009 11:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (JT Metalworks @ May 22 2009, 01:28 AM)
It's to be delivered bare and he wants to let it rust and then determine if he likes the look or not.


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If the steel is clean mix up some white vinegar, hydrogen peroxide and a little salt. Warm the steel, spray it on and you'll have damn near instant rust.

Squirrel proof feeders? Made a few of those over the years. The small one holds 25 pounds of seed and the large one holds fifty. Need a kids swing-set to make them work.

JT Metalworks - May 22, 2009 03:49 PM (GMT)
The erw I used for the arms isn't very resistant to rusting. When I still hadn't finished the window over the breezeway, the mrs got the bright idea she'd remove the temporary covering and clean the gutters with the hose. Well, that's fine and dandy except I had a substantial amount of stock leaned against the walls in the breezeway and she was spraying all of it! These bars were in there, and they spotted up real quick.

It's all 1/8" wall, but pretty soft stuff. I can bend it by simply putting it in the pipe jaws on my wilton and pulling. In fact, I used my conduit bender to put the initial bend on the arms out by the bearings. It took some jumping on it, but it did work. I used the ring roller for the rest.

Come August, this sucker will be brown.

JT Metalworks - May 22, 2009 07:45 PM (GMT)
Franz, been thinking about your high voltage dead tree rat scenario, but I'm thinking the amperage that actually passed through the rodent was still pretty low.

With the capacitor, you'd have a nice healthy jolt of current, but the voltage would still be relatively low (around 400v). The "pop" discharging these caps makes is impressive - so I'm thinking hitting a tree rat with that much current might actually do more than just screw up the pulse timer circuit going to it's heart.

Maybe not flying body parts, but I bet it would cook the flesh in a spot or two.

storts1 - May 23, 2009 12:54 AM (GMT)
Freaking Tree Rats,,my guy left a Little sot Open,and rold me,he wold cover it,and siaid Na,,Got a couple of fireman friends coming up to play cribbage!,and i found some nice SS wire cloth,well w forgot,,Thet are a Mother,,Charie bagged to with a 22 rifle he carries in his truck,with a scope,Bingo,right betweeb the eyes!!!!!!!!


They are a Pain in My Irish Arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :D :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Franzİ - May 23, 2009 01:49 AM (GMT)
JT that little guy cooked off at just over 1.5 amps at 7200 volts. I know cause I watched the young fellow with the extendo stick replace the fuse wires.

He done took a lot of wattage. He also made a hell of a lot of noise when the jacks blew. Them suckers sound like a 12 ga.

tackit - May 24, 2009 11:07 AM (GMT)
Good looking project JT.

Wouldn't a farm implement's disk make a good squirrel stopper?

I need to buy the notched type to make a stand for a work light, they come in a variety of diameters.

Is the top ball a receiver ball?

JT Metalworks - May 24, 2009 04:36 PM (GMT)
lol The mrs said the same thing about the top ball.

Nope, that was a bearing just like the other four. I turned a little cap for the pipe, and then welded the bearing on. Using a ball hitch would've been cheaper (takes time cutting the radius), but they tend to have a flat spot on the top.

I've always liked how bearings get nice chrome colors when you weld on them. At least till the rust sets in good, they'll have a lovely sheen.

Since my customer is on vacation, I just put the hoops for hanging the feeders on it, and then parked it in the garage while I work on my steel rack. I've gotta cross drill the main arms for bolts, and then come up with a center plug for the bottom of the pole so it'll stand proud in the mount and it'll be done.

Franzİ - May 24, 2009 05:17 PM (GMT)
Tack why spend money on disk blades when there are plenty of car wheels around free?

Cut one flange off, and weld some rod into the other side. Then fill it with concrete and you have a better base for free.

Disk blades are for woks that impress all the loosers around the campfire. They are also much easier for the little woman to carry and set up, than a mongolian grill.

That'll also give her more time to lay up a decent wood fired mud oven in the yard to make bread & pizza in and really impress the neighbors. Hell if Jack had taken the oven route he'd be up to his neck in money by now from sellin bread & pizza to the neighbors.

storts1 - May 26, 2009 09:27 PM (GMT)
Great idea,But one of my best friends is my bread man!!!!,i dont step on his :Bread and Butter,,and there Hours are Crazy!!!!!!!!All there stuff comes in at 11 PM from JJ Casone,(Nice irish gang down in Brookland!),,Dont step on Tony Tomatotes Toes,,dont want to start a rumble betwen familys,Im Happy doing what im doing,!!!!!!!!!!!!! Need More funerals,and before you say it,Its a Irish cementary,,dont see to many Black Caddys! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P

JT Metalworks - June 3, 2009 01:42 AM (GMT)
Customer picked up the pole today and dropped off more money - just the way I like it. :) He's thrilled.

Franzİ - June 3, 2009 01:47 AM (GMT)
Did you ask if he has a relative in Connect The Cat who could help Jack out? Jack would build the guy a chickencoop out of that expensive plastic if the guy helped him get his friggin tin garage kit up.

Hell if he has any relatives up my way send them by.

JT Metalworks - June 3, 2009 02:03 AM (GMT)
No, but he said I should make more of them. I responded with "I don't know too many bird freaks who'll drop 5 bills on a pole." His response was that I should take a closer look at what's currently on the market. :o Something's seriously wrong with these people when they don't think twice about spending that much coin on an artificial tree limb.

Granted, Ron's was a bit more involved due to the receiver mount base and collapsible arms (his design criteria), but I'm not about to start making these en mass just so I can compete with chinese labor and material pricing. The next one would take about 1/3 the time, so maybe there's some money in knocking them out - I've got 4 more intakes lined up and a mess of chit to do around here so it's not high on the to-do list figuring on them.

Franzİ - June 3, 2009 02:23 AM (GMT)
Careful there JT, you get too close to some of them fellows you might accidentally become the ArcyBarker of fake trees.
Then you'll have to learn words like eclectic and janra.

JT Metalworks - June 3, 2009 02:44 AM (GMT)
Them exhibition arteests have a good racket going. They get paid to do the piece, then they rent it to the place who wanted it, then after a few years they get paid to come take it away, then they rent it to someone else and get paid to install it, and the whole cycle continues.

The stuff I'm seeing online is barely more than what you'd have to pay me to drive to the steel yard and buy the stock. If they're selling anything like that at the place he wants me to check out (as a possible vendor), and it's going for even double what they want online - there's no way I'm gonna make any more without cash up front.

Franzİ - June 3, 2009 03:11 AM (GMT)
It occurs to me Mr Birdwacher is going to onle feed the poor busards in summer with that setup.

According to LN that just ain't right, you gotta put more seed out in winter for the ones who winter over. You best call that boy and talk with him about a winter feeder hanger to put in the receiver. He might have a couple bucks left. Leafspring out of an old Duster ought to make a nice winter arm.

JT Metalworks - June 3, 2009 03:17 AM (GMT)
No, the receiver is simply to make installing it easier. He's going to set it over crushed gravel inside a sonotube with a bag or 2 of concrete. He'll only take it out when he moves again.

tackit - June 3, 2009 08:54 AM (GMT)
Around here people are locked in the yard sale pricing mindset. they expect you take a big loss even on brand new ..

Yard sale... everthing has to be yard sale prices or "I can buy it at walmart cheaper. "

I was given a brand new set of oversize trailer house stairs, they were nice with aluminum hand rails.

I put them out by the highway to sell and only got one person to inquire about them, he offered me $25 when the next town south of here a mobile home business sell small stairs without hand railings for $300. These were brand new... I finally burned them rather than give them away.

Then their was the neighbor that wanted to buy my yard trailer right after I finished building it..... I told him it wasn't for sale but If he bought the material I would build him one just like it for free. He never asked how much it cost and never came back.

The only way you can make it in the welding busineess is by living by or close to a big city.


JT Metalworks - June 3, 2009 04:00 PM (GMT)
Tack, I live in a suburb of the 13th largest metro area in the country. We've got lots of people. They're all really dumb too (voting for franken and bama).

I've been meaning to stop in at this little mom `n pop flower shop down the road and see what kind of hard goods they're pushing and also see if there isn't something they'd like to sell but can't find. I might have to do that one of these days.

For the time being, I like dealing with the audi guys. The intakes are simple, and very good money.

tackit - June 4, 2009 01:27 AM (GMT)
JT like they say location, location, location. It's amazing ther difference in the amounts of money people have in the larger cities compared to country folks.... here it's all partime $8.50 an hour if you can find a job.. have a degree maybe $10.00.

Then you have nigger states like texas that can't support themselve and have mooch off the rest of the fukin country. military keeps the godda,mn place afloat.


Franzİ - June 4, 2009 03:39 AM (GMT)
I'm thinkin Californicate is goin to be a hell of a lot of fun towatch in the next few weeks. The fags are all bent outa shape because now the Court won't even support em, and Ahnold done told the welfare scum today there ain't no cash to give em. Welfare folks gonna get vouchers from the bankrupt state. Now just who the hell is gonna take a damn voucher from a busted treasurer?

This gonna be fun.

JT Metalworks - June 4, 2009 03:57 AM (GMT)
Starting pay for cnc machine operators (not machinists or cnc programmers) is almost 15/hr if you can pass the drug test.

Weldor's around here go from 12-18/hr starting.

For a while, McD's was paying 12/hr starting if you could produce a degree (because it was manager training after 3 months). Gotta tell ya, burger joint managers get paid pretty darn good with their bonuses (if you can keep attrition down and put up with herding horny teenagers for employees). I have no desire to do it, but there's always a job out there if I end up hungry.

Between the medical device industry and national defense contractors - MN has a buttload of profitable companies in operation here. Besides the testicle blistering cold we get for a few weeks a year in jan-feb, we have a very nice climate and it's a good metro area with a lot to do. There's a fair bit of wealthy people here, but it's not like area's of Chicago or NYC where they have multi-millionaires in clusters. We've got some wealthy areas, but most are living modestly. If I wanted to do more decorative work, I'd need to somehow puncture those markets. I know some guys who do painting and remodeling who won't take a job outside of Edina, or Minnetonka simply because they know the people in those cities will expect a huge bill or they won't think they hired someone competent. It's pretty insane when you think about it, but there's a lot of people who still equate cost with quality. If you want to sell to them, you need to charge 2-5x more than your competition. I've said it a lot across the boards over the years - being the cheapest guy in town doesn't always pay off.

In fact, I just had this conversation the other night with the guy who's distributing my intakes. He thinks the way to go is to be in the 900-1000 range because people think those ones are that much better than my little 600 ones. :o I'm already over 100/hr on those and getting faster. Once we do the dyno on the one I made for him is when we'll work on what price point to aim at. I'm pushing these guys in a different engineering philosophy than the competition is using (bigger isn't always better when dealing with fluid dynamics in a closed system), and once it's determined if mine are making more or less HP than the others we'll know where to put the sticker price at.

Now you see why I don't think too much of what other people are paying when they hire around here. I make more than they pay per week on a slow day. It's hard to talk to people in my classes who are "aiming high" at those 15/hr jobs thinking that's their ticket to easy street. I'd feel really bad if I was working for that. When I screw up a bid and get anywhere near that little profit, I start saying I'm making Mexican wages on the job. It's 15/hr this year, and next year if you actually get a cost of living raise, you'll be up to 15.75... That's no way to make a living.

Franzİ - June 4, 2009 04:30 AM (GMT)
JT you're in a situation very similar to the ABE area of Pa, which has becime a bedroom community of NY City and Filthydephia. Of course in ABE Beth Steel is history, the new Casino opened last week when LN was there. Areas she would have felt safe walkin thru 15 years ago frightened her drivin thru them now. There are interesting ghettos, like the Moravian Village, and one or 2 Spanish communities, but the rest of Allentown has been abandoned by the police.

Rochester is comedy central in terms of jobs. The death of Delco left a huge cadre of industrial workers without jobs, and Kodak and Xerox are seriously downsized. Some sharp pricks have moved into the labor market and found government money to screw people. We have the local Bryant & Stratton who found a way to qualify as a college ripping off the welfare people who are forced tolearn in order to continue getting their checks. B&S signs em up to become "professionals" at jobs that don't exist, sells em a bookbag and a shirt, and rakes in the bulk payment for tuition. Nobody gives a rats azz if they show up or not, because the money showed up. Less than 2% graduate the programs and stay on welfare because no jobs exist.

Just down the road in the old Delco plant there is a company that produces snow pushers for loaders. Now most snow pushing outfits make up their own out of an old tank, but this company manufactures snow pushers. They also have a goernment deal to train weldors (hotglue gun drivers) who get $7.50 an hour for training for 6 to 8 months. By the end of training they either hire on the really good ones for $8.50 or ship the "student" down the road for some violation of rules.

Pfaudler is still welding up tanks and lookin for weldors, and they damn well know the market is $12 to $14 an hour, with the lead man makin $20 for setting the plates up and tacking them together. There is no pipeline goin in the ground here other than plastic, and that is welded by an automated machine feeding the horizontal drilling machine pullin the pipe back.

We've got a shytload of people who are "certified" weldors who will be damned if they weld for any less than $28- an hour+ benefits sittin on their azz livin off their wife, in a house owned by their parents.

What machining we still have is at damn low wages, generally about what the clown is worth since all he can do is crank a lathe back & forth. NY State is past bankrupt, and the Big Rottin Apple is suckin the blood from the rest of the state.
NY spends more on welfare healthcare than California and Texas combined, and the hospitals are going broke providing expensive care for less compensation than the care costs.

People are almost to the end of fed up and quite a few are gettin nasty.


JT Metalworks - June 4, 2009 05:06 AM (GMT)
We still have a good deal of work though. It's not like that 15/hr would mean you couldn't afford a mortgage (with two incomes anyway), and still have money for food, etc. We have a pretty reasonable cost of living, so it doesn't take 30/hr to be comfortable. Since the mrs only works a little bit for her mom, I do have to pull a bit more weight, but we do just fine even while I'm in school.

tackit - June 4, 2009 05:54 AM (GMT)
Jt it's wonderful that you have know who to make those turbo manifolds,,, It's nitch that many of US DON'T have even a inking about. GOOD LUCK..


Your right about the price, if I have a problem selling something in the Shopper I raise my price not lower it and it's worked.

I bought a limb shredder but it was underpowered so I decided to sell it.. I owned it for almost two years, I asked $400 more than I paid for it and this woman buys it on the phone. She was buying it for her husbands birthday. When she got to the house I dropped the price $200 less than I paid for it... I just couldn't screw her over, especially since it was a birthday present.


JT Metalworks - June 4, 2009 06:17 AM (GMT)
You have to realise, I started out as a grease monkey. I've only gotten where I am now because of a passion for adrenaline and an insatiable appetite to make more power. :D

Auto performance parts are an odd segment to be in. There's the mass produced stuff for the real common cars, and then there's the crazies who want to make insane power and understand that they're going to need custom crap to get there. Having been on the other side of the table, making modifications to cars to get more power - it puts me in a good position to now be providing the services to those seeking that stuff. The retail segment seems to be racing to the cheapest price, and then the custom segment seems to be creeping ever upward as the prices for things that simply aren't all that difficult are becoming obscene.

Sometime over the winter (I'm guessing), I'll actually start producing a completely custom intake with 100% fabricated/machined components that should blow the doors off the competition's reworking of stock manifolds; where the plenum is the only thing altered (which is all I've been doing too). It'll probably idle horribly as the runner volume will be way too high for good non-boosted rpm's, but the top end should be scary as the only reason to do that kind of modification is to run a way bigger turbo. B) For the guy who only wants it to run good at WOT, it'll be the hot ticket. Looking at market trends, I should be able to sell them for damn near 2K a pop. Not bad for a mornings work eh?

Franzİ - June 4, 2009 06:36 AM (GMT)
JT is Mr Gasket still in business peddlin crap diecast goodies to car enthusiasts?

Those bustards ruined the weld it and sell it to the chump market back in the 70s.

JT Metalworks - June 4, 2009 06:56 AM (GMT)
Oh yeah, they're still going strong. Owned by Prestolite these days. The whole industry keeps getting consolidated.

Mail order has pretty much taken the steam out of the retail performance parts racket. We have a few speed shops here, but if you buy from them it's probably coming out of ArrowSpeed warehouse anyway (a local performance parts wholesaler) - the shops only stock the most generic of parts anymore so why bother when you'd have to make two trips when you can make a single call and have it delivered.

Franzİ - June 4, 2009 07:25 AM (GMT)
Makes perfect sense, Prestolite can't provide a part for something they made 20 years ago, and generally denies they ever made such a thing.

Used to make decent eatin money here between 2 shops, their insurance didn't allow them to own torches, but they could own welders. Had to bew a PHD behind that rating system. Chebies were good for a lot of money repairing the frame over the rear X, and MoPars were damn good money to weld up a new crossmember that could hold the tortion bars.

Only drawback was people wanted to do them in the winter.

tackit - June 4, 2009 12:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JT Metalworks @ Jun 4 2009, 01:17 AM)
You have to realise, I started out as a grease monkey. I've only gotten where I am now because of a passion for adrenaline and an insatiable appetite to make more power. :D

Auto performance parts are an odd segment to be in. There's the mass produced stuff for the real common cars, and then there's the crazies who want to make insane power and understand that they're going to need custom crap to get there. Having been on the other side of the table, making modifications to cars to get more power - it puts me in a good position to now be providing the services to those seeking that stuff. The retail segment seems to be racing to the cheapest price, and then the custom segment seems to be creeping ever upward as the prices for things that simply aren't all that difficult are becoming obscene.

Sometime over the winter (I'm guessing), I'll actually start producing a completely custom intake with 100% fabricated/machined components that should blow the doors off the competition's reworking of stock manifolds; where the plenum is the only thing altered (which is all I've been doing too). It'll probably idle horribly as the runner volume will be way too high for good non-boosted rpm's, but the top end should be scary as the only reason to do that kind of modification is to run a way bigger turbo. B) For the guy who only wants it to run good at WOT, it'll be the hot ticket. Looking at market trends, I should be able to sell them for damn near 2K a pop. Not bad for a mornings work eh?

It sounds easy when you know what your are doing, but from this side it looks and sounds pretty technical.

Franz I remember seeing that guy on the rich and famous TV show where they visited all the famous peoples luxury homes.... his was down in Florida if I remember correctly ...

JT Metalworks - June 4, 2009 03:21 PM (GMT)
It's just a matter of understanding all the things that are happening within the engine.

A turbo engine is still naturally aspirated below the spool speed of the turbo. Only under that condition, it has a very poorly designed exhaust manifold (most of the time), and it has a big intake restriction (the impeller) and often has too short of intake runners (because system volume equates to pressure drop).

Maximum efficiency as a naturally aspirated (N/A) engine is counter intuitive to maximum efficiency as a turbo charged engine. But you still need to be able to drive the thing while the turbo isn't spooled up.

There's a natural supercharging effect with properly designed (length, and volume) intake runners on a N/A engine - but most turbo guys want the runner's as short as possible because they have no interest in driving off boost. So they end up with these cars that need to wind up to 4-5K to get into the boost before they can get out of their own way. I'm more of a "whole package" kind of guy, because that natural supercharging doesn't hurt anything when on the throttle and into boost.

Franzİ - June 4, 2009 04:52 PM (GMT)
Tack you talkin about the fat fool with the Limey accent, lifestyles of the Rich & Famous? That guy needed a kick to the head just to retune his annoyance value in my book. He may be called the beginning of fakereality TV.

tackit - June 5, 2009 02:39 AM (GMT)
Sounds pretty interesting and scientific JT. I have never seen a turbo on an engine so to me it's totally confusing.. same as like working on the space shuttle.

The only thing I know about turbo's is if a trucker has his tractor towed backwards he needs to make sure the exhaust stacks are duct taped closed to prevent wind from turning the turbos backwards.... The expert on the radio show i was listening to said that when turbos turn backwards they don't get any lubrication.

Franz that's the guy, I think he was Joan Collin's brother, his sister must have gotten him the job.... I wonder what she looks like today, she must be pushing 70+

I see where King Fu's David Carradine died from a rope around his neck. To bad, I like him in his show.

Franzİ - June 5, 2009 03:10 AM (GMT)
It ain't turnin backwards that causes the problem Tack, most turbos are exhaust powered and lubricated by the engine oil system. It was real funny back in the 80s when car makers started stickin halfazzed turbos on cars. People couldn't seem to understand the need to cool the engine down before shuttin it off and baking the oil in the turbo bearings. People bought a hell of a lot of replacement turbos because they weren't smart enough to put a electric oil pump on to solve the problem.

That Caradine fellow was good as an announcer on the History Chanel Old West series. He never impressed me much when he was playin Chinee KungFoo wizard.

Main - June 7, 2009 12:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tackit @ Jun 3 2009, 03:54 AM)

The only way you can make it in the welding busineess is by living by or close to a big city.

Tack, there is no big city near me. It's all towns and villages. There is a town about thirty minutes from me that is the largest one in my area but I never get any work from it and that suits me just fine. Most of my customers are repeats and the new ones are word of mouth. There is work out there. From fixing the broken chair for the little old lady down the street (free) to making what amounts to a big dolly for an 7500# eighty foot long conveyor system needed to move it around the salt yard.
Then there is the specialty work. JT has his intakes and I have the lobstaah pot anchors. Best part about the anchors is that they eventually get beat up, lost or stolen and need to be replaced. I'll bet you could find a little niche, then fill it.

tackit - June 7, 2009 02:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Main @ Jun 7 2009, 07:59 AM)
QUOTE (tackit @ Jun 3 2009, 03:54 AM)

The only way you can make it in the welding busineess is by living by or close to a big city.

Tack, there is no big city near me. It's all towns and villages. There is a town about thirty minutes from me that is the largest one in my area but I never get any work from it and that suits me just fine. Most of my customers are repeats and the new ones are word of mouth. There is work out there. From fixing the broken chair for the little old lady down the street (free) to making what amounts to a big dolly for an 7500# eighty foot long conveyor system needed to move it around the salt yard.
Then there is the specialty work. JT has his intakes and I have the lobstaah pot anchors. Best part about the anchors is that they eventually get beat up, lost or stolen and need to be replaced. I'll bet you could find a little niche, then fill it.

Mains I charged a hog farmer a pagage of porkchops to weld his trucks front seat back together and he never talked to me again for over a year. :D

I suppose it just depends what area of the country you live in.... Around here free is to much ... you are expected to provide free of charge any extra steel that's needed,drive to town to get material you might need on you own gas...

Two people have complained to me about expensive bad work they got a local weld shop.

I though to myself, what you want to pay you're lucky you got someone to strike an arc.

I'm about to throw in the towel, there is no longer any affordable scrap to build projects and the last new steel I priced I thought I was pricing gold.

The SIL asked me if he could buy my shop when he gets their youkon paid off... I said yes.

I want a brand new Harley, tattoos and get the old lady a long haired red wig to blow in the wind. Maybe I can get her one of them vibration seats, I can turn it on on the way back home. These days I find myself wanting to screw more and weld less.

Franzİ - June 7, 2009 04:31 PM (GMT)
Tack the price of steel is back down, seems it has something to do withthe inflated economy finding reality again.

We all have or had those customers, it's just part of the business.

New Harleys are vastly overpriced and pure crap.

Wimmen are vastly overpriced and Can't Understand Normal Thinkin bad investments.




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