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 KAYINGAME: LETS GET HEAVY, ITS THE DAWN OF A NEW EARTH OK
Kayin
Posted: Sep 17 2006, 08:48 PM


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OK OK OK HEAVY WEIGHTS TIME HERE WE GO.

SETTING:

READ THIS
http://kayin.pyoko.org/da3/setting.html

Additional Information may be requested and ideas for unnamed areas -MAY- be considered. There are no dumb questions (but there are dumb suggestions).

SCENARIO

The game will begin midflight on a Zeppelin to Bosland. Initial starting point and destination are not a big issue. This is a connecting flight so you can, for the practical person of the game, come from anywhere and be going anywhere. The Zeppelin will be over the sea north fo Bosland.

CHARACTERS

Ok, a few things I didn't touch on. First, there are other races. Basic races like Dwaves, orcs and elves make up about 10% of the population with about 3% being made up of stranger thngs. Don't worry kids, Orcs can be civilized and most nations know this, even though they're still likely to the victims of racial distrust.

So Magic and Technology are all options. I assure you that, despite the battle between magic and technology I will not fuck you over for whatever your choice is. I'll try and make both sides of the spectrum have to cope at some point.

Remember, people in the new world know about this and understand this. It's not uncommon for a wizard to pack heat for when he's in the wrong place for magic.

Don't go crazy with characters yet (Unless you're Makaris). Post your thoughts and ideas and I'll help elaborate on details you might need. I don't want someone to go crazy only for me to say "No dice", so atleast post the general idea first.


Thats all for now. So if you're interested, post about it.

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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 09:22 PM


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So... character idea:

edit//Aaand I should really complete some of my character's details soo:

Frank Knight: name
22: years after birth
5'9": height
160: pounds, assuming gravity is 9.8m/s^2
Brown: eyes & hair
Holsen?: Origin (But I don't see origin being too important at the moment.)

Human. Is young, and is sometimes recklessly stupid (?in a comical way?). Is probably going to get himself killed by a firing squad some day.
Politically: Anarchist. Really really hates the S.U.U., and doesn't believe the "Dark Arising System" that the S.U.U. COMMIES can react quickly and effectively. Then again Shiv is a pitiful dictatorship too.
For recreation, he likes to talk about Eris, the Goddess and Discord and Strife, and do drugs.
Likes magic. And explosives of either magic or tech.
We need a name! This person shall be named..... Frank Knight.

edit// and for picture, see my avatar minus the shotgun. :D


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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 09:44 PM


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Typo in magic description:
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They mare and notate


Also, link to the map @ http://kayin.pyoko.org/da3/DAMapl.jpg is broken.

On the main page: Ragarthia or Magarthia?

Nevencler's description seems cut off.

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though has experiences less then inspiring


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regard(a long store in it's self)


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boarder towns


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their Capital


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it's center


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grow crops in side their


...and a few others in the last few paragraphs.

Now some thoughts...

Despite the magic spirits not liking tech, given the amount of research that went into electronic data readers & displays, I wonder how much effort people would've put into making a magic-friendly electronic spellbook? (Possibly using an analog magi-computer from Magarthia.)

I also wonder if the magic nations' grunts' basic training has a variation on, "This is my spellbook. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Without it, I am nothing. Without me, it is nothing."

If one wants a more detailed (technobabbly) explanation of why Magarthia hasn't been able to recreate digital tech: the transistor, and the vacuum tube before it, were what enabled digital tech IRL. They both operate on the principle that, when a certain input has voltage above a threshold, the output will correspont to electricity applied at the other input one way; if it's below, the output will correspond a different way. There is some variance to the threshold, but it's easy enough to apply voltages way outside the threshold (like, if the thresh is 2.0-2.5 volts, apply either 0 or 5 volts). Now imagine that spirits, being at least semi-sapient things, when put in the same roles would have wide threshes that depend on their mood and whim, and one can start to see the problem.

What of biotech, or advanced materials? Metal machines (including guns) and electronic devices are one obvious type of tech that magic spirits may be repulsed by, and perhaps this even extends to prosthetics (like a pacemaker), but what of someone who's got a donor organ, or one of the pharma goats that were around before 2000 - or did that kind of knowledge get wiped out? (Modern academic geneticists could base entire careers on the study of orc genes alone, especially if they're essentially variant humans from the academic perspective - which, reduced to its simplest form, just means that they can make babies with normal humans; the research would, of course, include study of the actions that go into making babies, so it'd be doubtful that no one would want to conduct said research.) Likewise, what of carbon fiber or plastics (like the synthetic clothes that have been around since at least the 1970s - though, in our eyes at least, have gotten a lot less gaudy since their first introduction)? Crystals are a common theme for natural magical elements - but making an artificial crystal is as simple as glassmaking (literally), and synthetic diamonds are being made on small scales today.

How easy would it be to forcibly instill a "perverse" (from most spirits' perspective) tolerance, even fondness, for tech into certain spirits that can then be bound into tech devices? Would it take torture equivalent to an average dominatrix? Marquis de Sade level? 'Cause, if it's possible, there's probably someone depraved enough to do it. Alternately, would the spirits be open to "racial tolerance" type persuasion or psychotherapy?


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Too many philosophical questions, not enough blowing shit up.


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Kayin
Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:08 PM


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Thanks for the typo rundown. I'll clean that up soon. I suppose I should handle each of these questions on a point by point basis.

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Despite the magic spirits not liking tech, given the amount of research that went into electronic data readers & displays, I wonder how much effort people would've put into making a magic-friendly electronic spellbook? (Possibly using an analog magi-computer from Magarthia.)


Any such occcurence would be a very finicky piece of hardware. Almost all mages would dismiss it as it would possibily interfere with their magic. The advantages would pale in comparison to that of light casting and similar activities.

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I also wonder if the magic nations' grunts' basic training has a variation on, "This is my spellbook. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Without it, I am nothing. Without me, it is nothing."


Magic is a very difficult art and no nation has a large standing force trained in magic (Not even Magarthia, though they'd have the largest force of magic specialists for their army). Magic in a military role extends to specialized roles. A squad or other unit may have one or more magically inclined users though.

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If one wants a more detailed (technobabbly) explanation of why Magarthia hasn't been able to recreate digital tech: the transistor, and the vacuum tube before it, were what enabled digital tech IRL. They both operate on the principle that, when a certain input has voltage above a threshold, the output will correspont to electricity applied at the other input one way; if it's below, the output will correspond a different way. There is some variance to the threshold, but it's easy enough to apply voltages way outside the threshold (like, if the thresh is 2.0-2.5 volts, apply either 0 or 5 volts). Now imagine that spirits, being at least semi-sapient things, when put in the same roles would have wide threshes that depend on their mood and whim, and one can start to see the problem.


That'd some some of it up. The other issue is micronization, though that took a long time in real life too.

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What of biotech, or advanced materials? Metal machines (including guns) and electronic devices are one obvious type of tech that magic spirits may be repulsed by, and perhaps this even extends to prosthetics (like a pacemaker), but what of someone who's got a donor organ, or one of the pharma goats that were around before 2000 - or did that kind of knowledge get wiped out? (Modern academic geneticists could base entire careers on the study of orc genes alone, especially if they're essentially variant humans from the academic perspective - which, reduced to its simplest form, just means that they can make babies with normal humans; the research would, of course, include study of the actions that go into making babies, so it'd be doubtful that no one would want to conduct said research.) Likewise, what of carbon fiber or plastics (like the synthetic clothes that have been around since at least the 1970s - though, in our eyes at least, have gotten a lot less gaudy since their first introduction)? Crystals are a common theme for natural magical elements - but making an artificial crystal is as simple as glassmaking (literally), and synthetic diamonds are being made on small scales today.


Someone with a pacemaker may very well be in danger in some regions. The thing to remember is that the spirits have the ability to decern technology on more then just the principle of mechanics and physics, much in the way a person is.

As for materials -- materials themselves are generally unaffected in themselves -- just the inner mechanisms kept inside. Synethic gems and diamonds would likely be ignored too.

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How easy would it be to forcibly instill a "perverse" (from most spirits' perspective) tolerance, even fondness, for tech into certain spirits that can then be bound into tech devices? Would it take torture equivalent to an average dominatrix? Marquis de Sade level? 'Cause, if it's possible, there's probably someone depraved enough to do it. Alternately, would the spirits be open to "racial tolerance" type persuasion or psychotherapy?


While it may be possible to modify the state of one spirit, theres a sort of 'flow' to them that keeps them from lingering too long. The other difficulty would be the bonding it's self. Mixes between magic and technology aren't impossible, but entirely impossible to reproduce(each tends to be unique to some extent), prone to malfunction and difficult to maintain. Each such item would be considered a treasure in and of it's self.

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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:18 PM


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Sir Winston has arrived. So glad you got this up so quickly Kayin. ^__^

Everything ok with the following?



Name: Sir Winston Redfield

Age: 68

Race: Human

Profession: Zeppelin pilot and aviator extraordinaire.

Appearance: Sir Winston as he prefers to be called, is an aging but surprisingly energetic man. Winston’s slightly wrinkled features are characterized most by his steely gray eyes, stark white hair and matching mustache. He can usually be found in his aviator’s uniform, consisting of a pair of dark brown leather pants, white shirt covered by a brown leather flight jacket and finally over that, a long light tan duster. Winston is never without his brown leather helmet and goggles as well as his white aviator’s scarf. Winston is also usually armed, carrying two old style German Lugers, and an even older 45 caliber six shooter strapped to one of his boots.

History: Winston was born and raised in an English settlement in the country of Gainsbrok. From early childhood he was always fascinated with airplanes and later with the massive helium filled airships that seemed to effortlessly sail the skies. Once old enough Winston took over the family business, using his father’s Vickers biplane to make mail flights to surrounding towns. After almost three decades of honored service to the Royal Air Corp, Winston retired with enough earnings to purchase his own moderately sized zeppelin. As of late he has been gathering the final parts needed to bring his graceful, mechanical love to life. Presently he is on a connecting flight to pick up one last part and head home.





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Kayin
Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:26 PM


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I told you my concern with Sir Winston before, but I'm compleely willing to work it with. I would just consider adding a few useful non aviation skills.

His personality will be great to have around though.


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HisDivineAssassin
Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:30 PM


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Well natureally being an aviator he'd have a fair knowledge of mechanics. And that's actualy why I added the six shooter and the lugers, otherwise he'd be kind of useless on the ground.

Do you have any suggestions?





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“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.”
“Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.”
“I've never been able to understand why a Republican contributor is a 'fat cat' and a Democratic contributor of the same amount of money is a 'public-spirited philanthropist'.
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Kayin
Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:33 PM


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Suggestions would include:

what you mentioned plus... Perhaps a good understanding of ettiquette and culture in different regions do to his travel?


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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:35 PM


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QUOTE (Kayin @ Sep 17 2006, 10:08 PM)
The thing to remember is that the spirits have the ability to decern technology on more then just the principle of mechanics and physics, much in the way a person is.

Hmm. So...the difference is in the attitude of the wielder? As in, would a philosophical scientist ("This is my calculator. I touch it, and my finger sends pulses through the circuits like so, changing what it displayed. When light hits the photovoltaic crystals, it causes electrons to stir, flowing into the battery until needed. All in accordance with the ways of the universe.") be able to use tech a lot better in magical areas than a bully ("This is my boomstick. I pull the trigger, it goes boom. Don't bother me with how or why it goes boom. All I care is that it make people very dead. I'm here to see if that happens to spirits too.")?

QUOTE (Kayin @ Sep 17 2006, 10:08 PM)
As for materials -- materials themselves are generally unaffected in themselves -- just the inner mechanisms kept inside. Synethic gems and diamonds would likely be ignored too.

I can see materials science getting a lot of interest, then, especially with all the fighting going on. "This is your body armor. It will stop small arms fire. It will stop your average fireball. It can save your life, but only if you wear it."

Also: monofilament-edged swords, anyone? (Or even chainswords, powered by pressurized air or some other source simple enough to be made robust against magic fouling, able to store high energy thanks to better materials. If a sufficiently simple, robust, and powerful source can be made. If not, then monowire-edged blades.)


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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:40 PM


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Indeed. He of course is prety well versed, at least in the friendly countries anyway.


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“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.”
“Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
“Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.”
“I've never been able to understand why a Republican contributor is a 'fat cat' and a Democratic contributor of the same amount of money is a 'public-spirited philanthropist'.
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Kayin
Posted: Sep 17 2006, 10:42 PM


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No no, not the wielder -- the individual spirits. So they know what to be outraged about and it would be mighty difficult to calm them all.


Materials are very important. Though one issue is material science isn't far beyond what we have now(Catching up)... But it's still very very important.

The OTHER issue is sure... you can get weapons from a tech nation using new fangled crap but A) Well.. it's expensive... and B) ... If you're going to go expensive, why not comission a magically inclined smithy to craft them? The best magical infusions would take place during the crafting process. Technology has many strenghts, but so does magic -- which is why a lot of places have little issue forgoing it.

EDIT: Are you even thinking about playing by the way? Not that I mind having to answer your somewhat bizarre questions!

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We are trolls, and we like what we do."


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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 11:16 PM


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Well...mainly, I was thinking something that works no matter what the local tech vs. magic level is. Magically-inclined stuff stops working in the most magic-dead places - an enemy can simply bring in an orgy of technological gadgetry to temporarily ward off all spirits, and thus temporarily disempower any magic in the area. Likewise, stuff that depends on tech that spirits can disable, can be disabled by summoning an onrush of spirits. So, strike a balance, and forge things that are proof against that tactic. (As a bonus, if it's not magic-incompatible, magic forging methods might be able to produce it too, for those not in a tech-favoring area.) Kind of like how RL military electronics are hardened against EM pulses: yes, one could get more performance without that hardening, but then it would be vulnerable.

I was holding off on posting a character idea since you said "no characters yet", but since other people are posting characters...I'm thinking a wandering scholar from Magarthia. Their government, or maybe a large semi-private concern, pays him to travel the world, attending conferences on magic and tech (or, when there are no conferences of note, randomly showing up at research facilities and getting the researchers to talk about their work - usually not a hard job), and radio home any useful info. He also keeps his ears open to any possible significant new trade opportunities with his friends back home - most of which he profits from (he gets a standard finder's fee). He's not a dedicated warrior, but he does know how to defend himself.

As for race: catboy. Orcs, elves, and similar races took their names from ancient human fiction. When feline humans started showing up, there were efforts to find a similar name - but the most recent, most popular fictional references said just "catgirl". This was obviously inappropriate for the males, so they got dubbed "catboy", though catgirl remains the "gender-neutral" term for their race (and there remain enough actual cats to make just "cat" confusing). Attempts to make "catwoman", "catman", and "catperson" popular have so far all failed. Attempts to dislodge "catwhatever" with something else have so far all failed miserably, save in those academic circles which prefer to call "human" "homo sapiens": since they, like the other races, can interbreed with humans (and thus are officially part of the same species), the scientific name is "homo sapiens felis". As a member of a lesser-known race who regularly goes into research institutes, he has donated blood, fur, and other biological samples more times than he cares to count. He strongly suspects that some of those "other biological samples" resulted, deliberately or not, in pregnancies, but so far no one has come forth with any paternity claims - and he has made peace with the fact that there's a better than even chance that any such offspring would be removed a few months later, and dissected for developmental research, by the otherwise-would-be mother anyway.

If that works, I'll need to come up with a name and a description.


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Kayin
Posted: Sep 17 2006, 11:23 PM


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The warding off of spirits is more of a long term event and not something that can easily be accomplished in the short term. But this affect sort of forces borders between some nations. who built up these areas and those around them... Also due to how amount of magical nations to technological ones and Magics seeminly prominence, tech nations often train units to be able to operate in both fields.

As for your character concept, a lot seems fine. I'll give it a bit more of a look over in a bit.


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We are trolls, and we like what we do."


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Posted: Sep 17 2006, 11:57 PM


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I don't have a name or anything, but the words "Earth Fucker" popped into my mind.

What I mean is, the character's studied the history of the planet, and decided that it's in Earth's best intrest if Scifera was taken out of the equation. So he sets out one morning to kill her.

(Stated en Skype, but "Earth Fucker" is just too fun to type)


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