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 9/11 Propaganda, Propaganda Research
brianv
Posted: Jun 23 2010, 12:55 AM


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QUOTE (JamedD @ Jun 22 2010, 11:05 PM)
The whole world believed the WND lie at the time, they know now a decade later it was lies but it's to late now. The propaganda often does not have to be permanent just so long as it works at the time. We invaded Iraq to prevent WMD's was the original lie now the big lie is we have to stay in Iraq to support the troops and not to cut and run etc

Money (fiat notes) can be created out of thin air by the FED but such money has to have value and the value of money is not controlled fully yet until all the worlds commodities are controlled. Drugs and Oil were up until 10 years ago largely in the hands of Arabs now thanks to the War on Terror the global drug and a large chunk of the oil industry is back firmly under western control.

Prove both the plane is fake and the Vicsim is fake. Why only focus on one and negate the other. You can't have a fake plane with fake passengers. It's a lot easier to explain that then to explain the planes were fake but the victims are real and their missing.

The whole world did not believe the WMD lie. Very few people did believe it in fact. If any WMD's were to turn up in Iraq, they would bear the "Made in the USA" hallmark.

Iraq now posesses chemical weapons after the war to rid them of chemical weapons which they didn't have!

Members states with declared stockpiles of chemical weapons

As of May 2009, there were four member countries which had declared stockpiles:

* Iraq[8]
* Libya[9]
* Russia
* United States

Iraq did not enter the treaty until February 2009, not declaring a weapons stockpile until April, apparently indicating the continuing presence of some chemical warfare remnants.[10][8] ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention

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QUOTE (TWNCPCONE @ Jun 22 2010, 07:13 PM)
Until the plane can physically verified through debris those people are missing persons
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Until the UFO is physically verified they are a missing person.  The same goes for anyone involved with 9/11.
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Who knows what happened to those missing persons.

No, they are not missing persons. They are faked vicsims who we have proven never existed as real human beings. Period.

If you are determined to discuss missing people/victims, there are thousands of websites that will welcome such malarkey - but this isn't one of them.

Didn't you read the rules of this forum when you joined? Everyone who wants to contribute is required to familiarize himself with the septemberclues.info videos, and the Vicsim Report:

http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims/9-1...im%20Report.pdf
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The reason the missing person, victims, faked victims, vicsims, whatever you wish to call them...the reason they dont exist is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.
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ozzybinoswald
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Gee Cone, I always learn something new from you.

Do you have an answer for why the sun comes up in the morning? Why water is wet?

"Oh pray, do tell! This shall be ever such fun! Maman! Papa! Come quickly! Cone is soon to deliver the sentence yet again! You shan't want to miss this!"

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QUOTE (ozzybinoswald @ Jun 23 2010, 11:38 AM)

"Oh pray, do tell! This shall be ever such fun! Maman! Papa! Come quickly! Cone is soon to deliver the sentence yet again! You shan't want to miss this!"

huh.gif Which sentence would that be, Ozzy? The one about the fake smoke? tongue.gif


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QUOTE (simonshack @ Jun 23 2010, 01:16 PM)
QUOTE (ozzybinoswald @ Jun 23 2010, 11:38 AM)

"Oh pray, do tell! This shall be ever such fun! Maman! Papa! Come quickly! Cone is soon to deliver the sentence yet again! You shan't want to miss this!"

huh.gif Which sentence would that be, Ozzy? The one about the fake smoke? tongue.gif

Simon...I have posted for one day and am being told that because I do not know exactly what happened to the passengers aboard the planes of 9/11...that I will now be banned from your site. Is this true?

Everything you've done has questioned the planes of 9/11. I have simply come along and said there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11. This last sentence seems to have really pissed alot of people off. I based it on the work that you have done and now I will be banned. You and your site are my last hopes. Every site has dispised the sentence there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11. Now to find out that it may also include your site is too much to take.

Why would that sentence cause so much discomfort and confusion?
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QUOTE (TWNCPCONE @ Jun 23 2010, 12:40 PM)

Simon...I have posted for one day and am being told that because I do not know exactly what happened to the passengers aboard the planes of 9/11...that I will now be banned from your site.  Is this true?

Everything you've done has questioned the planes of 9/11.  I have simply come along and said there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.  This last sentence seems to have really pissed alot of people off.  I based it on the work that you have done and now I will be banned.  You and your site are my last hopes.  Every site has dispised the sentence there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.  Now to find out that it may also include your site is too much to take. 

Why would that sentence cause so much discomfort and confusion?


I understand that you are playing dumb. That's not our favorite game - and we won't play along. If you think anyone here believes commercial planes crashed into the towers - you are playing dumb.

You are also a quite petulant character and evidently not someone who can help advance usefully/intelligently our investigations.

You are also attacking/ignoring longstanding 9/11 researchers and members of this forum. It would seem you are here to cause inside fighting. Not good.

You have also linked to an article by the most antiquated and failed shill of all - the very producer of the idiotic "September Clues Busted".

Need I say more?

Thanks for diffusing http://www.septemberclues.info !

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SmokingGunII
Posted: Jun 23 2010, 08:32 PM


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Can I just say that since specific individuals are being targetted for their part in the 9/11 hoax, it's encouraging for all on here to see new members actively discouraging any confrontation with them or, even worse the insistence that we treat the "passengers as missing persons".

Well done. Perhaps, the house of cards is just starting to wobble.

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ozzybinoswald
Posted: Jul 2 2010, 09:04 PM


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For the record: In accordance with my interpretation of numbers appearing in media (still to be expounded upon in the Occult Lingo thread) the usage below of the number '72' is significant. I suspect that certain associated numbers within news stories are something like a private message to insiders.



More 9/11 Human Remains Found At Ground Zero

Search Yields 72 More Fragments; Remains Of About 1,000 World Trade Center Victims Are Stil Unidentified

By RICHARD ESPOSITO and AARON KATERSKY
June 22, 2010


Just two or so dump trucks filled with never-before sifted debris from Ground Zero have yielded 72 new fragments of human remains in an almost three-month operation that could bring closure to more families of victims of the September 11, 2001 World Trade Center terror attack.

Because of the size and condition of some of the remains the NYC Medical Examiner's office told ABC News there was a good chance of obtaining DNA samples that could lead to new IDs once DNA testing is completed. The remains of about 1,000 victims of the almost 3,000 killed at Ground Zero have still not been identified.

A memorandum summarizing the findings of the operation, in which 844 cubic yards of debris was forensically sifted, was released by New York City officials Tuesday. It stated that including the 72 new fragments, a total of 1845 potential human remains have now been located since 2006 and are at the Medical Examiner's Office and when possible will be subjected to DNA testing.

The full report summarizing the now completed sifting operation is expected--nearly 9 years after al Qaeda crashed planes into the Twin Towers --to yield clues to the identities of some of the victims whose remains were either never found or are not as yet identifiable.

The sifting operation took place at Fresh Kill Landfills in Staten Island, where the new debris was brought and run through a series of conveyor belts that sort debris by size. In the immediate aftermath of the attack, the debris from the site yielded driver's licenses, rings, watches, wallets, shoes -- boxes and boxes of poignant reminders of the cost in human lives. This time, the sorting yielded bone fragments.

As of January 2010, the Medical Examiner's office had identified 1626 Ground Zero victims, or 59 percent of a reported 2,752 total. As of that date 21,744 remains had been recovered and 12,768, or 59 percent, had been identified.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/911-human-re...ory?id=10980468

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QUOTE (ozzybinoswald @ Jul 2 2010, 08:04 PM)


More 9/11 Human Remains Found At Ground Zero


Well, that's great news, Ozzy.

In december 2001, Charles Hirsch (the NY Chief Medical Examiner) theorized the ghastly possibility that:


THE WTC VICTIMS MAY HAVE BEEN VAPORIZED

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/wtc.htm

This outing was made, of course, 3 months after the event. If I had had my father in that rubble I would SPIT on those search crews. Honest. (oops - I forgot the towers were empty! tongue.gif )


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ozzybinoswald
Posted: Jul 3 2010, 02:37 AM


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I would be very interested in discovering from which agency these conclusions originate. With a little detective work it should be possible to trace and gain some insight into the source.

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Member "Postal44" posted this interesting thought to my inbox:

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As I understand it, to use DNA to get a "match", you have to have a known sample from the person and then when you find a new sample, you can test both and see if they match. What I'm getting at is when "they" find "samples" of human remains at ground zero, what the heck are they comparing the DNA to to get the "match"? I'm thinking that most people, like 99.9% of the people on earth don't have thier DNA on record anywhere, and if the "victims" of 9/11 are like most people, where are "they" getting the control sample to test against and make a match.

It just makes no sense to me at all as to how they could "identify" anyone, if there was in fact "anyone" to identify, in the rubble of WTC, unless they had control sample to match anything they found to it.

Sounds like bullsh@t to me.


Well, Mayor Ghouliani was quoted - soon after 9/11 - with these words:

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani seemed hopeful Friday that science would prevail as he described how investigators were gearing up to help relatives seeking answers.
"What the medical examiner needs is a toothbrush, hairbrush, personal items that would contain cells, hairs that you can use to do DNA analysis," he said, adding he expected samples to be sent in from all over the country.

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/sep/15/news/mn-46112


In fact, this 'scientific paper' confirms that toothbrushes and hair samples were used to determine the DNA of the (alleged) zillions of fragmented body parts:
"A body part is identified if it
bears a sufficiently persuasive similarity either to a
personal or direct reference—a known biological relic of
a victim himself (80% of the recovered victim DNA
profiles are male) mostly (78%) obtained from toothbrushes
but also including hair (11%) or razors (9%),
etc.—or to kin (indirect reference)."

http://www.carabinieri.it/NR/rdonlyres/D68...nerWeir2003.pdf

I've really no idea why this English-language 'scientific paper' is posted on the http://www.carabinieri.it website !? huh.gif
(I've just sent an e-mail to their webmaster asking what that's all about...)

Anyhow, do we have any biologists on board? Can DNA really be retrieved from toothbrushes and hair samples?


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ozzybinoswald
Posted: Jul 3 2010, 12:34 PM


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In doing a cursory check into the Medical Examiner's Office and 9/11 I arrived at this 9/11 Families site and followed a link in the Commemoration News section about a hybrid rose christened Survivor "honouring the spirit of those who lived through September 11, 2001."

It's odd that "honouring" is spelled the British/Canadian way.

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"The name Survivor was suggested by a group of World Trade Center survivors led by JoAnn Pederson."
http://www.911families.org/News%20articles...vor%20Rose.html

Ever curious, I did a little search on Joann Pederson.

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http://twitter.com/jennpozner/status/16359030696


This is the same Jennifer Pozner who is an MSM mouthpiece, a regular guest expert (Women in Media) on CNN and FOX .


There is a similar dubious posting which states: "Re-previous tweet on JoAnn Pederson (NYC), she's a fellow WTC survivor we can't locate. Thx much for your help. smile.gif" which appears to originate from this insipid site: http://livajudic.wordpress.com but there is no record of the comment to be found using the site search.

Google search: http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Re-previo...prmd=o&filter=0

Here's a cache of this same (no longer extant) series as it appeared elsewhere June 13, 2001:
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The poster merrybubbles, Pozner's twitter pal, is responsible for the Liva Judic site aka "Search Marketing News":
user posted image
http://twitter.com/merrybubbles


Is merrybubbles retweeting an anonymous post recommended by Pozner? Or is Pozner the one claiming to be a fellow survivor? What is the significance of the "# missing"?

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ozzybinoswald
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QUOTE (simonshack @ Jul 3 2010, 11:52 AM)
Anyhow, do we have any biologists on board? Can DNA really be retrieved from toothbrushes and hair samples?

I'm no biologist but sure, that would be possible. They pulverize the entirety, place it in a solution and spin it at high speeds which separates the components allowing them to isolate and extract the DNA.

Saw it on TV. wink.gif

It would also be easy to introduce human DNA into any sample and contrive results at many points along the way.

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Remember the Israeli firm that said fabricating DNA was a simple operation?

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“You can just engineer a crime scene,” said Dan Frumkin, lead author of the paper, which has been published online by the journal Forensic Science International: Genetics. “Any biology undergraduate could perform this.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18dna.html

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QUOTE (MartinL @ Jul 4 2010, 09:53 PM)
Remember the Israeli firm that said fabricating DNA was a simple operation?

Yes Martin - excellent reminder.

But let me just list here the 3 versions of what we find on that article:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/wtc.htm

THE CHARLES HIRSCH VERSION:
But Dr. "Charles Hirsch, the chief medical examiner, triggered an angry response two weeks ago when he told grieving relatives that many bodies – no one is sure how many – had been "vaporized" and were beyond identification."

THE ELLEN BORAKOVE VERSION:
"Hirsch declined to be interviewed. But spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said he meant that bodies were consumed by blazing fuel from the two crashed airliners, or "rendered into dust" when the 1,100-foot skyscrapers collapsed, one concrete slab floor onto another."

But Hirsch's predecessor says:

THE MICHAEL BADEN VERSION:
"Dr. Michael Baden, the state's chief forensic pathologist and a top expert in the field, said in September that most bodies should be identifiable because the fires – while hot enough to melt steel – did not reach the 3,200-degree, 30-minute level necessary to incinerate a body."


Go figure...Who are we mere mortals supposed to believe?


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(this post is moved from noncapito’s Lottery Fakery thread where it was a bit of a digression!)

Some comments on the voice-over artist for the infamous 9/11 Hotel documentary.

The Miracle of the Voice-over Angel

The charming voice-over for the 9/11 Hotel was performed by Russell Boulter, best known for roles in police and hospital dramas in the UK.

But, as a Christian, he has completed many voice-over projects expounding the teachings of Jesus. This includes playing the Angel Gabriel in “It’s a Boy”, which was distributed free to thousands of UK primary schools.
Millions of adults and children recognise his saintly voice from their times of spiritual devotion and study:

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But, since 2006 he’s developed a side-line in terror propaganda, working with Testimony Films.


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http://www.bdh.net/our_work/projects/7-7-t...of-carriage-346


I can’t state that he’s been groomed as a vehicle for propaganda by means of the Christian stuff. I don’t know that.

But, at the very least, Testimony films fully realise the associations that his voice carries, and are happy to capitalise on them…
The voice of spiritual authority.


He is also used to bind together 9/11 and 7/7 in viewers minds, with his voice:
His first 7/7 documentary (The Miracle of Carriage 346) opens with the full monty 9-11 sequence of crashes and explosions and the words:


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On 9.11 the world changed.
It marked the beginning of a new and disturbing era of global terrorism. 4 years later it would be britain’s turn to bear the brunt…


http://www.testimonyfilms.com/index.php?op...&id=18&Itemid=6



Testimony Films' Historical Archive

Amy Ting, Ron Howard and co. were unconvincing in their 9/11 stories. (see Simon’s video).

Well, the stories – fascinating coincidences and all – are being compiled into a special archive by Testimony Films, along with the 7/7 stories etc.

It seems that Testimony Films do not see themselves as just a TV/entertainment company but they are trying to be History-makers. They are trying to turn their propaganda into History!

Testimony films:
QUOTE
We archive all the life story material we generate in making . Over fifteen years we have completed several hundred life story interviews, adding up to more than 3,000 hours of filmed material. This material is of great national significance


Some of this material is held by the Life Stories Collection at the British Library, information about which is available on-line. Some is held by the BFI National Film and Television Archive in London. Most is archived however at Testimony Films. We are beginning to assemble this archive into an online digital resource, which will be expanded over time to become a major research source.

http://www.testimonyfilms.com/index.php?op...&id=19&Itemid=7


Am I right is asserting that documentaries can be about history, but it’s ridiculously pretentious when they claim to be history?

With that level of pretentiousness, it’s no wonder they insisted their films are narrated by a voice best known for narrating the Bible.

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Excellent digging, Timothy.


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I really hope Russell Boulter knows who Jesus is.
Friends in high places is what he may need very soon. But, of course, he might be a total dupe and just do his job in Good Faith...? Silly me.

But seriously now: I don't know about you (the reader) but I nurture a particular revulsion towards this category of accomplices to the 9/11 hoax. Is it realistic to believe that Russell and such figures know nothing about the whole scheme, while being closely involved with obvious crap actors playing out scripts? What will be their line of defense at the upcoming 9/11 "Nuremberg" trial? "I JUST COMPLIED TO MY SUPERIORS' ORDERS" - or something to that old tune? I won't apologize for sounding 'hateful' - as I am sure I'm not alone in this. The propaganda filmmakers are no less despicable than their handlers. Here's a great old article by Leslie Raphael - the man who first brilliantly dissected (in writing) the infamous Naudet brothers' snuff movie:


The 9/11 film industry by Leslie Raphael
http://www.spingola.com/JULES%20NAUDET%20App%202.htm
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Leslie Raphael quote:
"Do we really have to be pathological cynics to have doubts about films like these, crammed with every tear-jerking cliché and stereotype in the book ?"


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Pathological cynic I'm fast turning into, however!

It's a good article, but that seems a dodgy reference to Mychal F. Quotes Wiki faks, assures that the two sisters are ‘very much alive’, excuses their alleged unwillingness to appear on film, assures that he has met the director and trusts him, and assures that the film seems most genuine, but we can’t see it cos it’s been removed from his list. Has Leslie met the family?

Anyone know an online source for the movie Victim 0001?

No, scrap that.
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MOSQUE PLANS AT GROUND ZERO NOW ABANDONED
just yet another propaganda hoax to keep "the 9/11 families" in the limelight




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http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/...center-1.308426

Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center. Insiders say Muslim spiritual leaders behind the controversial initiative are considering giving up on the former World Trade Center location, in a gesture of appeasement.

Sources in New York said on Monday that Muslim religious and business leaders will announce plans to abandon the project in the next few days.

(...)

They also hope the move will be seen as a show of sensitivity to families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks, and to the  American public generally.

For Italian readers: http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2010/08/17...44/?ref=HREC1-3


Quite frankly - I could see that one coming - miles ago ...or "from days away" rolleyes.gif


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NOTE : this post is by Antipodean
I moved it here from the "Debunk a September Clues" thread.
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QUOTE (fbenario @ Aug 19 2010, 08:20 PM)
QUOTE (fbenario @ Aug 16 2010, 12:49 PM)
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I found that garbage just three days ago.

Now we have yet another new perp site, starting up just before another 9/11 anniversary. Take a look at the editors/contributors. This is both absurd and insulting.

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The editors of 9/11 Truth News are pleased to present 911truthnews.com. 9/11 Truth News is intended to be an accessible and factually oriented first reference for those curious about 9/11 truth. Our movement must serve its audience and this site was created for that purpose.
...
In order for this site to reflect the best this movement has to offer, we will need help from the movement to keep us informed about what we might include. We need people to help us find relevant news. We need groups to send us their best images and videos of their actions and events.
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911truthnews.com strives to present only the most credible and broadly relevant stories and highlight the most constructive movement activism. The editors aim to provide thoughtful commentary on the movement's successes and failures and examine mainstream responses.

Editors

Victoria Ashley

Victoria Ashley has been researching the attack since 2003 and has contributed unique insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement. Victoria highlighted the importance of Steven Jones’ work in a 2006 essay

Cosmos

Cosmos is a survivor of Mark Rothenberg, a family friend who was murdered on September 11, 2001.

Scott Ford

Scott Ford is an art director, dj and entrepreneur living in Hollywood, California.
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Ford focuses on building an alternative to corporate media and has worked on websites for many others such as: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, ... and Sibel Edmonds’ Boiling Frogs Post.

Janice Matthews

Janice Matthews is the Executive Director of 911Truth.org, a leading portal of the September 11th research community and truth movement, and was a co-founder of the now-archived 9/11 Visibility Project.

Bob McIlvaine

Bob Mcilvaine is the father of Bobby McIlvaine, a victim from the 9/11 attacks.

http://911truthnews.com/


We should overwhelm their site with links to Simon's videos, and the Vicsim Report.


Victoria Ashley (pictured below) sure has an uncanny likeness to Janice Ashley.
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Janice Ashley
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memor...eople/3409.html

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Carol Ashley (with photo of daughter Janice Ashley)


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Good idea, it did look a bit out of place there.

Anyhow here's the link to that Victoria Ashley photo (scroll slightly down from the top of the page)

http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html

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VICTORIA ASHLEY (9/11 "activist")

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JANICE ASHLEY(9/11 vicsim)

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Of course, Carol Ashley (alleged mourning mother of "Janice") is a prominent activist too:
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So, as Antipodean suggests, could "Victoria" really be " Janice-the-vicsim" ? (Ozzy? I know, not much material to work with...)
This is the sort of stuff Victoria - who is apparently Jim Hoffman's wife or girlfriend - writes...(from the 9/11blogger perp site):

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What really happened and why
I'd bet my money that a real 757 hit with real passengers and a lot of real people died that day.

It's ugly, boring -- relative to Skywarriors, bombs, faked morphed phone calls, etc -- and awful. It's about death. And yet, it's most likely what "happened," at the end of the day.

The proposed "magic show", on the other hand, is exciting, contentious, mysterious, and devoid of the nastiness of human bodies instantly crushed into oblivion against mortar walls, families no longer with a wife or a husband or a son or a daughter, and the experiences of those in DC who lived through it who will never ever forget the images and likely will have PTSD the rest of their lives.
http://911blogger.com/node/22471


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QUOTE (antipodean @ Aug 22 2010, 08:58 AM)
Good idea, it did look a bit out of place there.

Anyhow here's the link to that Victoria Ashley photo (scroll slightly down from the top of the page)

http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html

Dean,

Thanks for that link and of course we will look deeper into "Victoria Ashley".

I cant help myself posting this photo of the truth seekers from your link.

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Is there anyone from now on that questions this is design?


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QUOTE (simonshack @ Aug 22 2010, 11:04 AM)
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VICTORIA ASHLEY (9/11 "activist")

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JANICE ASHLEY(9/11 vicsim)

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So, as Antipodean suggests, could "Victoria" really be " Janice-the-vicsim" ?

Busted! These actors have shown themselves to be incredibly sloppy again and again. While they were never quite able to get their vaporized victim counts straight or their passenger manifests cleaned up they probably copied Miss Ashley from "victim list" to "activist list" thinking nobody would ever notice.

It's becoming clear that they have one pool of actors they draw from for fake victims, fake activists, fake relatives, fake eyewitnesses etc. We've seen this pattern again and again. Ace Baker, Gary Welz, Mark Humphrey, Edna Cintron, Judy Wood... there's a shallow pool from which they keep drawing all of their characters for the ongoing soap-opera.

I doubt very much that the vicsim "artists" designed a vicsim from scratch that just happens to have the same surname and same face as one their hired shills. Oops!

Miranda Priestly once noted that some the relatives of the 9/11 victims also seem to be witnesses to the Columbine Massacre. I suspect that if you carefully study the major psyops of the last decade you'll find the same bit players making cameos. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that Victoria Ashley is the daughter or widow of BP Oil Rig Disaster worker or a member of Darren McNulty's Zarchian Cult. It takes a long time to vet someone as being trustworthy enough to lie to the public for money, so once they hire one of these shills to put out on the streets they want to make sure they're turning as many tricks as possible.

Regular people aren't comfortable turning up in costume when it's not Purim or Halloween. The perpetrators hired a bunch drama geeks to play these roles, and most of them are not particularly good at their jobs.


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QUOTE (D.Duck @ Aug 22 2010, 02:19 PM)
QUOTE (antipodean @ Aug 22 2010, 08:58 AM)
Good idea, it did look a bit out of place there.

Anyhow here's the link to that Victoria Ashley photo (scroll slightly down from the top of the page)

http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html

Dean,

Thanks for that link and of course we will look deeper into "Victoria Ashley".

I cant help myself posting this photo of the truth seekers from your link.

user posted image

Is there anyone from now on that questions this is design?


D.Duck

Unfortunately, Americans really don't know how to protest all the time. Especially those living in a small town trying to 'stand out' from humdrum local politics. This situation is only a moderately exaggerated plausible gathering. Kind of like if Saturday Night Live did a sketch on protests.

I see your point, but just wanted to speak up from an American perspective that this is sadly more tolerable to me than it probably should be.

Grassroots America is in a very sad place. I think that's why vultures like Alex Jones, who show up all slick and packaged, can be appealing to us disorganized hoi polloi and tempt us into another trap.
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June 13th 2007!

Not according to the Exif Data - Digimax U-CA5 2006:9:19, 04:16:14

Here is the thumbnail from the original

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As you can see from this that the photograph above has been croppped.

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Here is a blow-up of the thumbnail, best I could get it! Im not sure the contents of the placards match up to the published photgraph above.

The guy furthest right with the green placard! Does it correspond? Now go back up to the top photograph, see the lettering on "BUsh step DOwn" !

Can anyone read the placards on the mini photograph?

Same "Impeach Bush/Cheney" placard being held by different group of people in previous post!


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Brian,

The signs are photo shopped in to the pictures, I dont think there were any signs in the pictures in the first place, so is this a 9/11 event with "Superman" or is this a completely different event in the first place that has nothing to do with 9/11.

If so, this a way to sell truth seekers as nut cases and I must say, flood
MSM newspapers with pictures like this, and I will not blame people if they think "inside jobbers" are crazy people.



Look at the shadows in this picture cos they dont add up and look at the finger over the E in the white "imp(e)ach" sign, that is a leftover from some other insert, and the sign stands in the air with that finger holding it and the sign cast no shadow,lol.

Advise to Newbies:
If you dont have an editor, press " Ctrl +" to zoom in and "Ctrl -" to go back.


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The thought certainly crossed my mind about the signs being photoshopped in! And I most certainly agree that the underlying message of the "photographs" is that the 9/11 "Truth Movement" is comprised of whackos and fruitcakes.
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The pic of the hipster in shades below is unrelated. It's the avatar of the person who posted about Victoria Ashley.

QUOTE (simonshack @ Aug 22 2010, 11:04 AM)
VICTORIA ASHLEY (9/11 "activist")

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JANICE ASHLEY(9/11 vicsim)

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A very distinctive rise and fall of the eyebrow is faintly discernible.
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Pug nose. There's no doubt it's her.
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