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 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc, public message board thread
fbenario
  Posted: Jun 29 2010, 10:56 AM


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Right now I can't post in the original Vicsim thread. After reading Simon's June 27, 9:16 AM post there on 'dead' 9/11 firefighter vicsims, I entered Mychal Judge in the People Lookup feature Simon used, and it showed Judge is alive and 77 years old. I wonder if every last one of the 'dead' firefighter vicsims is currently showing up alive?

If I have time today, I will try to lookup all the 'dead' firefighter vicsims. I suppose if we find they are all listed as alive, we could start trumpeting to people, "Hey, all the 9/11 firemen are alive! Isn't that great!", even though we know they never existed in the first place. That might at least get people to start questioning whether their beloved victims ever actually died - or even existed in the first place.

Of course, as Simon says, this may be a purposeful effort by the perps to get ordinary folks trapped in a world of confusing dead-ends, inconsistencies, and non sequitors.

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MartinL
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A huge shill recently gave advice that it would be "disastrous" to contact anyone of the people involved in the scam. May I suggest we do just that with these "alive" vicsims?
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1) The 319 firefighters formed part of a postscript to Russ Kick's article. He wrote it in relation to the Columbia tragedy where three enquiries were set up in quick time, one on the day itself and compares it to the delays and obfuscation in getting any enquiry at all going in respect of 9/11

The relevant sentence (page 226) is "Those killed on 9/11 include 319 firefighters, 50 law enforcement personnel, 89 military personnel and five civilian pilots." Whilst there are 144 citations in respect of the entire article, unfortunately nothing in the postscript itself as it was added as the book was going to press.

Coincidentally, I have literally just bought the book "Report from Ground Zero" by Dennis Smith (Corgi, 2002) which concurs that there were 343 lost firefighters. Sometimes the serendipity of life is beyond amazing.

And right at the beginning of the book we have, "This book is dedicated to these 403 brave souls who went in to help get others out". The names of the 343 firefighters (New York City Fire Department) are then listed followed by 23 members of the "New York City Police Department", and 37 members of the "Port Authority of New York & Jersey Police Department". The book will form my weekend reading.

2) The ejecta. I use as my source the 2008 research edition of 9/11: Blueprint for Truth (The Architecture of Destruction) with RIchard Gage AIA, Architect.

The relevant section of the DVD is at 1hr 18min where the collapses are analysed. Ejecta can clearly be seen shooting across to the World Financial Centre from a shot taken from south of the south tower. There are multiple shots of the collapse from different angles, but this is the most relevant one.

Also the blurb inside the cover has the bullet point "Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft at 50 mph".

3) One thing I forgot to post last time was a reference to the Cantor Fitzgerald employees. When Concord ceased operating, one of the main reaons given was the loss of custom from CF staff who apparently made up a significant part of the passengers. If the CF staff didn't exist, then who was travelling using their "identities".

4) In terms of practically all the victims being sims, it makes more and more sense. If there were any real relatives of real victims then they could not help come across the many challenges posed to the official events of the day. At first I thought that they were all bought off with the very large compensation sums awarded, but this troubled me, as there are principled people out there (the majority I hope) who would have seen blood money for what it was, and that it should not get in the way of the truth.

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QUOTE (NickOfTime @ Jul 2 2010, 11:21 AM)
When Concord ceased operating, one of the main reaons given was the loss of custom from CF staff who apparently made up a significant part of the passengers. If the CF staff didn't exist, then who was travelling using their "identities".

Concord Manufacturers

BAC (now BAE Systems)
Aérospatiale (now EADS)

Primary users
British Airways (motto: one world)
Air France

With "companies" like this, you should doubt the reason given for Concord not flying anymore.
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QUOTE (NickOfTime @ Jul 2 2010, 06:21 AM)
2) The ejecta.  I use as my source the 2008 research edition of 9/11: Blueprint for Truth (The Architecture of Destruction) with RIchard Gage AIA, Architect.

The relevant section of the DVD is at 1hr 18min where the collapses are analysed.  Ejecta can clearly be seen shooting across to the World Financial Centre from a shot taken from south of the south tower.  There are multiple shots of the collapse from different angles, but this is the most relevant one. 

Also the blurb inside the cover has the bullet point "Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft at 50 mph".

3) One thing I forgot to post last time was a reference to the Cantor Fitzgerald employees.  When Concord ceased operating, one of the main reaons given was the loss of custom from CF staff who apparently made up a significant part of the passengers.  If the CF staff didn't exist, then who was travelling using their "identities".


As we've said repeatedly, every video you've ever seen of 9/11 is a fabrication - so every conclusion you have drawn from watching video has no evidence to support it.

As for 'passengers', if there were no planes and no victims on 9/11, then there is no reason to get yourself tied up in knots trying to figure out anyone's identity.
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QUOTE (NickOfTime @ Jul 2 2010, 10:21 AM)


4) In terms of practically all the victims being sims, it makes more and more sense. If there were any real relatives of real victims then they could not help come across the many challenges posed to the official events of the day.  At first I thought that they were all bought off with the very large compensation sums awarded, but this troubled me, as there are principled people out there (the majority I hope) who would have seen blood money for what it was, and that it should not get in the way of the truth.


Nick,

I'm glad to read your no-nonsense thoughts as expressed in point 4).


As for points 1-3 :

1) So I guess the mystery thickens as for the "319" figure? If it was, as you say, quoted in a book (as opposed to being, say, a typo in a brief newspaper article) it is all the more difficult to understand how the 'error' occured.

2) I'll try to get hold of that DVD and check out what you refer to as 'ejecta'. As for Richard Gage, I can only refer you to what I have written on my website regarding the "Architects and Enginners for 9/11 Truth" credibility :

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The "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth" organization had until late 2009 an article on their site describing, in finely detailed manner, the timeline of the WTC 1 "11 second collapse". When I pointed out to them the approx. 18-sec collapse from the CNN live feed, I received this succinct reply from their webmaster: "Thanks for your message, we have now removed the relevant article from our website."
http://www.septemberclues.info/wtc_collapses.htm   


3) Regarding Cantor Fitzgerald, I have a much graver question which screams for an explanation: If you go to their OWN, official memorial page listing their lost employees, you can find them listed from A to Z. Try counting them (If I remember well, I think there are somewhere around 370 - but no more than 400...)
CANTOR FITZGERALD 9/11 MEMORIAL
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/jsp/l...elist.jsp?LNL=A

Now, there is no question that the official death-toll at CF is supposed to be 658. That figure is reported virtually everywhere.
http://www.metafilter.com/35526/Three-year...ntor-Fitzgerald
So what's the matter with their OWN memorial? How offensive is it for those (over 200) families not having their loved ones listed on their OWN company's memorial?...

I'll let you ponder about that. dry.gif


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fbenario
Posted: Jul 4 2010, 01:18 AM


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Nick, please read the Vicsim Report before you waste any more time trying to identify fake people who never lived nor died - and thus weren't in any imaginary planes, or worked for any perp companies.

http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims/9-1...im%20Report.pdf
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These are just a few photo shop fails I came across recently. Morph-heads on bodies from stock photos. They have the typical mismatched skin tones and bizarre creases you get when lazily photo shopping a head onto a different person's body.

Lynn I. Morris (from Cantorfamilies)
user posted imageuser posted imageFaina Rapoport

user posted imagePaul Beyer
user posted imageBrian Bilcher

Just for fun I submitted these pics to a couple of PS-Fail sites. So far no response to whether they made the cut to be featured.
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QUOTE (simonshack @ Jul 3 2010, 11:08 AM)
QUOTE (NickOfTime @ Jul 2 2010, 10:21 AM)


4) In terms of practically all the victims being sims, it makes more and more sense. If there were any real relatives of real victims then they could not help come across the many challenges posed to the official events of the day.  At first I thought that they were all bought off with the very large compensation sums awarded, but this troubled me, as there are principled people out there (the majority I hope) who would have seen blood money for what it was, and that it should not get in the way of the truth.


Nick,

I'm glad to read your no-nonsense thoughts as expressed in point 4).


As for points 1-3 :

1) So I guess the mystery thickens as for the "319" figure? If it was, as you say, quoted in a book (as opposed to being, say, a typo in a brief newspaper article) it is all the more difficult to understand how the 'error' occured.

2) I'll try to get hold of that DVD and check out what you refer to as 'ejecta'. As for Richard Gage, I can only refer you to what I have written on my website regarding the "Architects and Enginners for 9/11 Truth" credibility :

QUOTE

The "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth" organization had until late 2009 an article on their site describing, in finely detailed manner, the timeline of the WTC 1 "11 second collapse". When I pointed out to them the approx. 18-sec collapse from the CNN live feed, I received this succinct reply from their webmaster: "Thanks for your message, we have now removed the relevant article from our website."
http://www.septemberclues.info/wtc_collapses.htm   


3) Regarding Cantor Fitzgerald, I have a much graver question which screams for an explanation: If you go to their OWN, official memorial page listing their lost employees, you can find them listed from A to Z. Try counting them (If I remember well, I think there are somewhere around 370 - but no more than 400...)
CANTOR FITZGERALD 9/11 MEMORIAL
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/jsp/l...elist.jsp?LNL=A

Now, there is no question that the official death-toll at CF is supposed to be 658. That figure is reported virtually everywhere.
http://www.metafilter.com/35526/Three-year...ntor-Fitzgerald
So what's the matter with their OWN memorial? How offensive is it for those (over 200) families not having their loved ones listed on their OWN company's memorial?...

I'll let you ponder about that. dry.gif

When I began researching the UK victims (now on hold due to business commitments) I listed each one's employer, if applicable.

Of the 67 official list there were allegedly 17 victims from CF. Of these, 13 were NOT listed on Cantor's memorial site! I say "were" just in case some post editing has taken place since I visited the site last summer.

Listed:
Ronald Gilligan
Hashmukh Parmar
Vincent Wells
Neil Wright

Not listed:
Jeremy Carrington Still alive according to search sites)
Suria Clarke (still alive according to search sites with active email address at company that took over E-Speed)
Gavin Cushy
Kevin Dennis
Robert Eaton
Andrew Gilbert
Timothy Gilbert (brother to Andrew)
Christopher Jones
Robin Larkey
Mark Ludvigsen
Simon Maddison
Nigel Thompson
Martin Wortley

Jeremy Carrington's father Col. Michael Carrington, is a member on the commitee of the UK family support group, S11UKFSG. He allegedly attended

http://www.s11ukfsg.org/index.html

Suria Clarke's Mother, Alex, is Chair of the same group and does appear at Official 9/11 memorial services. Her Brother, Tom is the group's Press Officer, who I have previously posted information on. He worked at ABC when in NY and now appears on the UK's Channel 4 news as a science journalist.

Interestingly, Carrington's Father also runs a charity entitled the The Maria Norbrega Foundation, which he runs in his son's memory.

http://www.nobregafoundation.org/

I have a screencap of the "Art in the Park" event in 2005 in Central Park NY. The last line of the its mission statement reads as follows:

The Foundation would like to thank the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund for its' assistance in publicising this event.

Which begs the question, why is he not commemorated on their memorial site?

Carrington apparently also appeared in a TV series (a Time Warner production)about the rich in East Hampton called Single in the Hamptons. I say apparently as I cannot trace any episodes featuring him online or from the usual DVD outlets. The second series is available in full.

According to his wife, Patricia Rosch Carrington, to whom he proposed to in the Cistene Chapel, on the Legacy website he was "quite frankly larger than death".

Quite.




Patricia was MD at Deutsche Asset Managemnt in 2000 and after his alleged death released a book along with 3 other 9/11 victims' widows, entitled, "Love you. Mean it".

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/20...idow-book_x.htm

Well, Patricia, according to US Search, he is alive and well and still living in East Hampton, sometimes using the aliases Jeremy Carington and Jeremy Kerrington - with you listed as his only relative in the USA.

I'm surprised you haven't bumped into him. tongue.gif
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QUOTE
Just for fun I submitted these pics to a couple of PS-Fail sites. So far no response to whether they made the cut to be featured.


That's a really snarky idea. I love it! hahaha

(simonshack adds two more 'SLIT THROATS':)

GEOFF CAMPBELL__________________________SURIA CLARKE
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http://www.s11ukfsg.org/tributes/geoff_campbell.html

http://www.s11ukfsg.org/tributes/suria_clarke.html
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Simon

I have finished reading the book “Report from Ground Zero” by Dennis Smith and it can only be the longest fairy story I’ve ever read. Dennis Smith is “a retired New York City firefighter, and an honorary assistant chief of department.” Dennis Smith had previously written “Report from Engine Company 82” (1972) that sold over three million copies, and has also written three novels.

Its 604 pages are divided into two sections. The first is a series of testimonies with firefighters (and a wife), the second is Dennis Smith’s diary of his actions up to day 68 (Nov 17, 2001).

In general, the book gives prominence to Father Mychal Judge including that “photo” of him in the chair being carried by five others. It refers to the Naudet brothers, has the story of the “gas leak”, and the story of the trapped firefighters. It cross references all the big “stories” of that day.

The thing that stood out to me most were the many references to the “jumpers”. There were dozens of them almost raining down, according to the book. And even as the first tower fell, the sound of the “jumpers” landing could still be heard.

And, the references to the foreknowledge that both the north tower and building seven were going to collapse, especially in respect, of moving people away from these buildings in time.

Also, there are many references to firefighters who lost family members, mainly brothers, but also sons, and other relatives. There are references to the battalians with their engine and ladder companies by number which will be helpful in trying to work out which ones are sims and which ones are real.

The most peculiar small but important event in the book is its insistence that the first event happened at 08:48 and not 08:46. There are numerous references to 08:48 in the book and I have no idea why this is.

There is far, far too much material to fisk in one, or indeed several sittings, so I will just run through the names of those whose testimonies are given,

Jimmy Boyle (retired) – former president of the firefighters union.
Dennis Tardio – captain, engine 7 (Duane Street)
Dan Nigro – chief of operations FDNY
John Lightsey – dispatcher
Steve Stefanakos – police officer emergency service unit – truck 10
Pete Hayden – deputy chief – commander division
Joe Pfeifer – chief, battalian 1
Dan Potter – firefighter, ladder 31
Mel Hazel – retired fire marshal
Jean Potter – wife of Dan Potter
Joe Dunne – first deputy police commisioner
Mickey Kross – lieutenant engine 16
Billy Butler and Tommy Falcon – firefighters ladder 6
Jim McGlynn – lieutenant engine 39
Dave Lim – office port authority police canine unit
Jay Jonas – captain ladder 6
Judy Jonas – wife
Glenn Rohan – lieutenant ladder 43
T. J. Mundy – firefighter engine 36
Will Jimeno – officer port authority police department
Phil McArdle – firefighter hazmat
Tom Vallebuona – batttalian 21 chief
Anita Rosato – police officer emergency services unit – truck 10
Michael Penna – lieutenant rescue 1
John Perry – police office 40th precinct
Tim Pearson – captain NYPD PSA 2
Joel Perry – attorney
Terry Hatton – captain rescue 1 (about as told by Michael Penna)
Tom Schoales – firefighter engine 4
Ed Schoales – battalion chief 15th
Bob Humphrey – engine 4
Frank Vaskis – firefighter ladder 15
Mike Angelini – fire patrolman 3
Harry Meyers – assistant chief of department
Dennis Smith
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QUOTE (fbenario @ Jul 4 2010, 01:18 AM)
Nick, please read the Vicsim Report before you waste any more time trying to identify fake people who never lived nor died - and thus weren't in any imaginary planes, or worked for any perp companies.

http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims/9-1...im%20Report.pdf

Fbenario

You make two postings worried about my believing in things that are not real. To make it absolutely clear, I 100% do not believe that there were any planes, any highjackings, or any take-offs of the four presumed flights, let alone any crashes.

My point on the ejecta was that whatever mechanism(s) were used to “collapse” the towers, then anticipating the size of, let alone the direction of ejecta would be a very clever thing to do (see my subsequent post on Dennis Smith’s book). Where was the benchmark event to allow the perps to “guess” what would happen on the day?! And to expand this point further, were the buildings really dustified and was there reams and reams of paper floating through the air. The only things I can 100% believe in are the numerous post event photos of ground zero.

On your second point, I am not trying to identify fake victims, but I posted the reference to Concorde because presumably people did use these flights, and they could have been “actors” or others amongst the powers that be “using” the names of the sim Cantor Fitzgerald employees. It is a limited line of research, but it always amazed me why so many CF employees were allowed to fly Concorde on business relative to other comparable firms when corporate expense policy would never allow such a thing.

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QUOTE (SmokingGunII @ Jul 4 2010, 10:45 PM)

Patricia was MD at Deutsche Asset Management in 2000 and after his alleged death released a book along with 3 other 9/11 victims' widows, entitled, "Love you. Mean it".

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/20...idow-book_x.htm



Wow - nice find, Smokey ! Another set of merry widows. Please meet...

"THE WC CLUB"

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/20...idow-book_x.htm

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Ann Haynes, Patricia Carrington,
Claudia Gerbasi and Julia Collins


What a riveting article - a true journalistic masterpiece...:
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"Our husbands were so much alike. People wanted to be around them," Julia Collins says.

"They were handsome, generous and fun," Claudia Gerbasi says.

"They appreciated life," Patricia Carrington says.

"They lived well, every single day," Ann Haynes says.

"We often say we should have met before," Collins says.

"But this was meant to be," Carrington adds



The Widow's Club ("the WC club" - as they actually call themselves) all have their own gripping/fascinating stories to tell :


ANN HAYNES:
Each widow dealt differently with widowhood. Haynes stopped wearing her wedding and engagement rings. "Just another step in the slow and painful acceptance of the completely unacceptable," she says.

PATRICIA CARRINGTON:
Carrington quit her job, spent the summer in Italy, is taking classes in Italian and the Bible this fall, and is "figuring out what to do next."
Carrington adds: "I feel stronger this year. Each year provides a new perspective, one of deep sadness but of resilience to live our lives in the spirit that (the boys) chose to live their lives. Every day, every year, hold invaluable lessons for all of us. Don't take this gift of life for granted.


CLAUDIA GERBASI:
Only Gerbasi had gotten a phone call. "A plane hit my building," her husband told her. "I'm OK. This place is crazy. I'm getting out of here. I've gotta go." She says that "ever since the first time Bart told me he loved me, we never ended a conversation without saying, 'Love you.'

JULIA COLLINS:
Collins still wears her wedding band and "Tommy's wedding ring (which was found at Ground Zero) on my right hand." Collins kept her husband's voice on her answering machine until it was erased during the 2003 blackout in New York: "Tommy's way of saying, 'Stop freaking people out by leaving my voice on the machine.' "


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One of the pictures of Dutch vicsim Ingeborg Lariby has been used as a 'basic-

morph' for the pictures of at least 9 of the 9-11 vicsims.

The most obvious case of the morphed Ingeborg Lariby picture is vicsim Margaret

Ann (Peggy) Jezycki Alario.

All basic features of Ingeborg Lariby's face match perfectly with Peggy Alario's face.

Even the earrings of Ingeborg Lariby were morphed blatantly in the picture of

Margaret Jezycki Alario.

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Other vicsims with morphed pictures from Ingeborg Lariby I found so far are:

Dolores Maria Costa

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Jeannie-Ann Maffeo


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Kristin A. Irvine-Ryan

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Karen A. Kincaid

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And 4 other morphs of Ingeborg Lariby are these ones:

Jane Eileen Josiah

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Susan A. MacKay

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Ruth Sheila Lapin

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Mary Lou Hague

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The 'basic-morph' of the picture of Ingeborg Lariby has probably been used for
many more 9-11 vicsim 'photos'.

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The right way, and the wrong way….

Thanks to the amazing skills of Simon shack, Hoi Polloi and a handful of die hard professional 9/11 researchers. We can easily establish that the 9/11 victims memorial photos are actually doctored/fabricated, photo shopped photos.

If you are new to this research then I strongly recommend that you check out this link … http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims_photo-analyses.htm

And also read "The Vicsim Report" http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims/9-1...im%20Report.pdf

So now we can establish that they are in fact false photos, what now??....

One option is to work out the links between these vicsims lives, right here on the World Wide Web. We can go through all more photos, check out social security records, email the victims’ families, and look even deeper for more evidence perhaps?
All of these count, and do make difference in establishing whether or not the victims of 9/11 are real.

Simon and I have noticed in other forums, the awaking of people to the fact that the photos are faked. And one thing that is defiantly apparent is, the will of people to want to establish that the 9/11 victims are in fact real, by a method of actually going into the USA and actually attempting to contact the families in real life. Another Idea being put forward is for people to phone the family members.
I, and many other people I have talked with, actually believe that this in fact is a great idea.
(Considering most of the victims were living around the nth east quadrant of USA this actually does not seem like a hard feat in the slightest.) Also calling them is another great chance to get into contact.

But at the end of the day….. What will count???

Unless an investigator/researcher handles this with a smart tactic. That will actually prove the victims were real or simulated. Everything will be just counterproductive. (Waste of time)

So possibly , being keen to do this myself, I am looking for input from Simon, and anyone else. On what key points are needed to establish from the alleged family members as to whether or not the victims really existed.

For Example…….
Let’s just say I found a living relative of Elizabeth Wainio,(U93)
and I managed to get an address or phone number of a living relative in Manhattan.

Realism— "Knock, knock/ ring, ring."
Lizy Relative— "Hello?"
Realism- -- Hi nice to met you, I know you don't know me, But let me introduce myself, I am ****, Are you the living relative of Elizabeth Wainio, who was kiled on 9/11?
Lizy relative— "yes, yes this is."

What would you say? I could come up with a heap of reasons why I was calling by….

Realism- I am here to pay respects and was wondering if I could have a 2 minute chat about Lizy?” …… Possible
Realism- “I am writing a blog dedicated to the real life stories of the 9/11 victims, and was hoping to really know who Lizy was” ……Possible
Realism- “A few researchers including myself have noticed that the pictures of Liz were actually photo shopped onto other websites, and I was wondering if you knew about this. Do you have any other photos of Liz to share?” … Possible

If you had a chance to meet a 9/11 alleged family member on the phone or in person, it is one thing to talk to them… But what would one do to come out with real relevant proof, that they were in fact real or simulated??

Look forward to any answers
Realism. smile.gif

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Realism911,

Its going to be interesting to see where you are going with this one and I am watching.

Lets make it easy on ourselves shall we, so what are you saying?

1: Are you going to talk to a family member of "Elizabeth Wainio" that do not exist?

2: Do you think real family members would have Fake pictures of their loved ones on memorials?

3: While you are at it,why dont you try to find some family members to the amateur video guys and talk to them too? you know Hez, Luc ,Devin and the rest of the gang.

4: What is the end result and what do you want to establish?


Please come back and tell me.



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Very interesting work by Culto which I had missed probably during my off-time.

Another Photoshop Fail

"Once, when Myr[n]a J[L]oy Aronson was visiting her brother and his family in Washington, she found out about the Bastille Day celebrations at the French Embassy and managed ‹ at the very last minute ‹ to get herself invited."

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http://legacy.com/AthensReview/sept11/Stor...1770&location=3

Non, je ne regrette rien

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QUOTE (brianv @ Jul 29 2010, 07:21 PM)

Non, je ne regrette rien


Nice music-association/caption, Brian...

"Non je ne regrette rien" (Edith Piaf)

Let me suggest also...

"Scary monsters/Super creeps" (David Bowie) ninja.gif


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Thanks brianv... smile.gif

In the 911 Memorial Scams thread in The Big Ones brianv posted about Sonia Morales Puopolo.

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Major Perp

Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was the wife of School of Medicine's Board of Visitor member, Dominic Puopolo. She was a former ballerina and patron of the arts. Besides her husband, she leaves her children Dominic, 35; Mark Anthony, 29; and Tita, 28. Puopolo was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11.



Puopolo is also a morph made out of the picture of Ingeborg Lariby.

So far I found 21 of these morphs; I tend to call them the 'Ingemorphs'.


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Nicely done, Culto. And thank you very much for keeping up our standard of noting clearly what you have done - if anything - to the original pictures. We must explain this very carefully because some readers will accuse us of editing "official pictures" that are fake images in the first place.

You have so far done a good job of presenting your case very carefully and noting when you have altered anything. We are always watching for people who try to sneak by their own edited images and pass them for the original propaganda and that doesn't seem to be what you are doing. So thank you for noting original "official pictures", and their sources. And also noting when you are creating images as above to compare originals. Make sure to clearly mark when appropriate or not obvious. This is hard brain-crunching stuff for people who don't understand the concept of computer-generated fake people.

Keep up the good work when presenting your case. It makes for a compelling read. Well done.
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Thank you, hoi.polloi... smile.gif

For already some time I've been suspecting that there might be morphs made of Ingeborg Lariby's picture used for other 9-11 vicsims.
It's actually very easy to prove this, just by using Paint!

On my Flickr-account the image-quality is much better and I added some new morphs on it:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/culto2010/
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I originally speculated that many sims take information from those around them, which is why each individual face we look at isn't necessarily an "original" but more like a network of malleable face parts that are influenced by faces adjacent to the face we are examining. This creates the illusion that the face we are drawn to and relate to (because most people fooled by the fake faces actually have an emotional relationship to them on a conscious level - as we've tested on people who believe they are real victims instead of invented personages) is the "central" face.

In our case, however, we may find a particular face extremely fake and therefore use that as the central focus. We have the inverse problem of using one face's fakery to prove those around it. I believe it is likely that the Lariby sim - while sharing many face qualities with those around it - is still a sim that lends itself and borrows from other faces. Similarity is a two-way road. And I think the system they used to build the sims creates walls of similar faces so that no "weak spot" or "original face" can be found among them.

We must presume that their method of inventing fully-animated high-resolution images of people-like simulation is so close to the effect of "photo documentation" of actual human beings, that it is nearly indistinguishable for most people.

Why do we have the perception to recognize lying images? Does it make us special?

No, not really. Consider the many ways in which the lie was produced for each perception:

Audio/Motion Visual Weakness
The weakest perceivers of movie lies would fall victim to the crude videos of airplanes and collapses. Videos which do not stand up to scrutiny as real photography, but which serve those invested in examination. The result is people pointing out "squibs" and "pods" and bullshit and never getting past the fake video if they get over the impossibility of the collisions in the first place.

Repeated Hypnotic Power of Suggestion
Those who doubted it all, but who are susceptible to whining, name calling and/or verbal pressure and so people who - most likely, unfortunately - are those who watch TV because it is the social subject of our time ... fall victim to the power of suggestion. Everyone on TV is talking about 9/11 being real, and "all my friends" (who also watch TV) are talking about 9/11 as if it were real so it must be real. These types usually never wake up to the fact that they have placed themselves neatly into a controlled, artificial environment obsessed with social approval and agreement to tell each other the same lies.

Voice Weakness
For those who had strength in recognizing bullshit, or who occasionally take a step back from such sheep behavior might come across the harmless-sounding drunkard Jeff Hill - making subtle calls from his home phone to connect with the apparent conspirators and videographers of the obviously animated video. So the video is fake ... how to get people who recognize this re-absorbed in the simulation? Simply leave loose ends. Yup, the "videographer" (completely invented) admits it's fake. Why? No need to explain. There's more ... Yessir, we're dodgy, foreign, animation experts. Sure, call the FBI. See what they do about it. Where is it all going? Well, by the way, we've suddenly contacted one of the (completely invented) videographers of a hologram. I guess the video must be real! hahaha - You've come full circle back to those who cannot escape the fakeness of the video. Only now you think you discovered "evidence" within the fakery thanks to Jeff's fake conversations with actors.

Internet Anonymity Trust
For those who doubt everything else, but believe the computer data web pages on the Internet couldn't possible lie to them (as absurd as such an assumption may seem) we have MirandaPriestly, AmandaReconwith (and sometimes people on this forum) who pull up web pages, JPGs, and YouTube videos of "hidden" sims living in the woods and "friends of the victims", type furious rants against the liars of the world and huddle themselves into social networks to drop their fake clues where all other 9/11 fakery has been rejected.

Meanwhile, the entire collective discussion of all this - including our little site - is being monitored, recorded, studied, tested and probed while we work ... as if we assume that the pipes and satellites we use belong exclusively to us and cannot possibly be shared by the bullies and extremist militant types of this world who created all the fakery in the first place.

The tools we invent to doubt the fakery - to throw cries of "moronic!" and "lies!" and "bullshit!" at the stories proffered us - are now being mocked ... absorbed ... and are used to adjust the missions of the so-called "Intelligence" groups creating these lies to combat their self-absorbed and illusory insecurity. But they can never remove from us noncompliance. They can never make us unlearn the word "No."

"No" is a powerful tool and it is inventive and creative, and it helps us withstand anything.

Now that we are understood as the stubborn types we are, let people come to us with more fakery. Let them delete our forum - topic by topic or in one great swoop - let them try to erase our computers, steal our "Facebook friends" and post lies and confusion about whether or not we are permitted or allowed to say "No" in the face of a lie. We have the power to laugh at the pathetic attempts to dissuade us from our awesome word "No" and to teach others the word by saying it to their face.

Remember this when the pressure is on. Things are getting tricky now.
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QUOTE (hoi.polloi @ Aug 4 2010, 12:14 PM)
The tools we invent to doubt the fakery - to throw cries of "moronic!" and "lies!" and "bullshit!" at the stories proffered us - are now being mocked ... absorbed ... and are used to adjust the missions of the so-called "Intelligence" groups creating these lies to combat their self-absorbed and illusory insecurity. But they can never remove from us noncompliance. They can never make us unlearn the word "No."

"No" is a powerful tool and it is inventive and creative, and it helps us withstand anything.

Now that we are understood as the stubborn types we are, let people come to us with more fakery. Let them delete our forum - topic by topic or in one great swoop - let them try to erase our computers, steal our "Facebook friends" and post lies and confusion about whether or not we are permitted or allowed to say "No" in the face of a lie. We have the power to laugh at the pathetic attempts to dissuade us from our awesome word "No" and to teach others the word by saying it to their face.

Remember this when the pressure is on. Things are getting tricky now.

Hoi, these comments are as powerful as any you've written, and make a great battle-cry for us to remember.

Your thoughts about the power inherent in our retaining the ability to say 'No' reminded me of two George Orwell quotes:

"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows."

"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. "
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The video below is further confirmation of the possibility that there were no and at best few deaths as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

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Where did the 58 passengers on Flight 77 go? This report is from Arlington Hospital at 12pm.


9/11 Pentagon NO fatalities NO dead passengers

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Dcopymope,

Nice stuff and a telling story.

We have Charles Hirsh as coroner in New York, he and Ellen have made some of the most "perpy" statements you can do as a coroner.

On second place we have "Wally Miller" in Shanks that contradicts him selves from day one.

At Pentacon we had "Dover Air Force Base" and "Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville" playing coroners and if I am not mistaken, not a word has been said from those guys and their spokesperson in the beginning was "Navy Capt. Glenn N. Wagner, AFIP director".

Kind of strange dont you think,lol.


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QUOTE (Dcopymope @ Aug 18 2010, 06:57 PM)
9/11 Pentagon NO fatalities NO dead passengers[/URL]

AHAA - but you're forgetting that THE COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER was found and exhibited at the Moussaoui trial, my frriend ! Therefore:
Voice Recorder = a Plane = many Passengers = much Pentagon personnel = many many Casual-Ties
It is pure logic supported by HARD evidence, dude !! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flight_77_CVR.jpg

You don't suppose they would have gone to all the trouble FABRICATING this complex sculpture, do you??? It would have been much easier and cheaper to just slam a plane into the Pentagon. Aaaw, those tinfoil hat conspiracy theorrorists gotta get a life ! * tongue.gif *


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laugh.gif

I don't suppose anyone would go through the trouble of photoshopping something like this for money? Especially for people with lots of money?

Surely not someone like infamous bluffing Scam-Artist George Jo Jo Marengo of www.NYartlab.com who claims to come from a line of royal servants?
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Hi Simon did you get a chance to read this Yahoo headline today, WOW..
What do you make of it? These new families of So-Called victims are coming out of the woodwork,there's names I've never heard of?? Can you confirm this from the memorials? Jim Riches,Liza Murphy,Peter Gadiel,Talat Hamdani,Charles Wolf?
More proof the mainstream media HAS to be involved in this..
p.s. sorry about my last JFK thread response, just upset that somebody thinks I was planted on your Forum to cause trouble.. I agree 9/11 topics deserve more focus than an EX President whose 99.99999% dead as we speak..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100820/ap_on_...mosque_families

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