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Chronicles of Narnia, The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe| Errtu |
Posted: Dec 31 2005, 07:47 AM
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 Student of Cantor  Group: Global Moderators Posts: 107 Member No.: 48 Joined: 15-May 04  |
alright first of all sorry for splitting the title, it wouldn't fit in one box but anyway
i've only seen it once so far but my first impression was that they seemed to have (from what i remember of the books which i've read at least five times but not in a while) some direct quotes but they also screwed over some really good lines for instance "Logic, what do they teach in schools these days?" it just didn't seem the way i'd imagined it i also think that overall they really buggered things up with the overall meaning of the book but anyone else think anything? -------------------- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
--Rich Cook The only things going with the flow are dead fish |
 
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| Ozymandias |
Posted: Jan 11 2006, 10:37 PM
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 Something Useful  Group: Members Posts: 951 Member No.: 15 Joined: 24-March 04 |
i thought they did a great job on all fronts. the christian implications were subtle enough, but not too subtle; the imagery was amazing; the acting was very good. I enjoyed it, despite the minimal cutting and divergences taken. And i thought that the casting was astounding.
What do you mean by "overall they really [U] f***ed things up with the overall meaning of the book" ? -------------------- Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? |
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| Errtu |
Posted: Jan 12 2006, 04:25 PM
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Student of Cantor Group: Global Moderators Posts: 107 Member No.: 48 Joined: 15-May 04 |
it was supposed to be underlined, i'm not sure what that was all about
but i just thought that they missed the meaning of the book, by a lot the book is pretty much a childrens story of the crucifiction or Christ. yes, they did have some Christian 'implications' but it seemed to me that they drifted away from the, to use a cliche, 'deeper meaning' of the book maybe though it's just that i haven't been impressed with any recent book - to - films and it will grow on me in time as LOTR did -------------------- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
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| Ozymandias |
Posted: Jan 12 2006, 11:07 PM
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Something Useful Group: Members Posts: 951 Member No.: 15 Joined: 24-March 04 |
The problem is, there really isn't a deeper meaning to the books. Tolkien was writing an anglo-saxon based epic. It had to be full of all the noble qualities that it has. Lewis was writing a spiritual series of children's books. They both have the same merits, but narnia was intended for a younger audience. The movie isn't being shallow, the book is just that obvious. You can't have kids reading something like lord of the rings and expect them to catch the allegory of it. Lewis knew that, so he wrote up a bedtime story with easily identifiable good and evil characters and simple christian ideals. The result is an equally obvious movie. Don't try to read into the movie too much, the stories themselves weren't designed for heavy analysis.
-------------------- Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? |
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| Errtu |
Posted: Jan 13 2006, 10:49 AM
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Student of Cantor Group: Global Moderators Posts: 107 Member No.: 48 Joined: 15-May 04 |
so what's the point of the book if not to have a meaning and a moral lesson? what's the meaning of life then? should we all just commit sucide and die now because that's what will eventually happen?
CS Lewis was a professing Christian and he intended the books to be a little bit more than a simple bedtime story. the Chronicles of Narnia, specifically The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe, are stories to sort of guide children into the Bible it sets up some of the same beliefs in a much more interesting context -------------------- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
--Rich Cook The only things going with the flow are dead fish |
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| Ozymandias |
Posted: Jan 13 2006, 09:31 PM
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Something Useful Group: Members Posts: 951 Member No.: 15 Joined: 24-March 04 |
It does have a purpose. You'll note that i stated "...he wrote up a bedtime story with easily identifiable good and evil characters and simple christian ideals..." which gives purpose, Lewis' christian beliefs, general morality, etc. It also proves that you jump to conclusions or you didn't read the entire post.
-------------------- Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? |
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| Errtu |
Posted: Jan 16 2006, 10:40 AM
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Student of Cantor Group: Global Moderators Posts: 107 Member No.: 48 Joined: 15-May 04 |
no, it just means i don't consider that purpose
-------------------- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
--Rich Cook The only things going with the flow are dead fish |
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| Aisuru |
Posted: Jan 19 2006, 11:17 PM
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 High Queen  Group: Admin Posts: 1,365 Member No.: 1 Joined: 20-March 04 |
I understand where you're coming from, Troy, but having just re-read all SEVEN of the Narnia books, I propose that the books were no more blatant than the movie in terms of Christian overtones. Basically the only difference was that they left out that Aslan was the son of "God," aka the Emperor Over The Sea. I think the movie was very well made and stayed true to the book on all important aspects, even though it varied in minor details to improve continuity and avoid lengthly narrative explanations (they hit the ball into the window instead of Mrs. MacReady giving a tour and almost catching them, etc.) The first time I saw the movie, I hadn't read the book in years, so I was just watching for enjoyment. The second time was the day after I had finished reading the book again, and I enjoyed it just as much, even though I was watching for mistakes throughout the entire movie. The third time, I didn't even bother finding places where they messed up; I just sat back and reveled.
-------------------- "It keeps receding from me, the world does, it runs away from my fingertips; and when it rains, I must be absolutely soaked with the rain or rain is just not real to me. At night sometimes I creep out naked from my bed and go behind the house and smell the woods and wet and look at stars and cry, for I can't touch them with my fingers. I want to feel the dark between me, want the Lord to touch me and rub off my skin...I want some contact and relation which I fear is just not possible the way my world is so constructed now. So I must do something about this. I must reconstruct the world the way I want it, for to make it real again. I need to make it bleed to know it's real. Do you see? Oh, why do you ask me why? You make me sad when you ask why, and you don't want to know the answer anyway. I can't touch you enough, my love. I can't touch anything enough."
~Alice Ard, Ardy Fafirsin by Don Negro |
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