This is good

I can be a dick on so many levels as to what happend....but I wont...I just got a few questions...

one: what does "QQ" Mean?

Two: Kenji, I try you...(if you knowwhat I mean)

Three: In all seriousness, I think things should be changed, all admins and mods stripped except Kenji (since he is founder) and everyone votes on who they think should be in a certain spot, as stupid as it sounds it would make people happy, and I dont understand to the fullest what happend today and I am not trying to start crap but for once I agree with Naout on one thing.....the shit that went down today....it is stupid but most of all, isnt good for the site....people will just come in and see those two topics and turn tail and run.

The only reason I am saying ths is because now I am worried I am going to not be able to finish one of the best sites that I have RPed on. I am done with having Enemies and friends...all I want to do is RP and have fun, just as all of you should want to.....this is why I will be the first one to step up and be a man....and say sorry...

To Naout, Aden (although currently banned), Takumi, Blaze, Shizaku, Mike, Tari, Kenji, Angelis (Dont know what I did to you), and everyone else who is on this board... I AM SORRY for everything I have done and said that was improper and mean. As you know not everyone is not perfect and we all have times in our lives that are tough...I am in that time but to extreme measures. I know it isnt your problem or whatever but that is the way I am.

Now weather I am the only one to say this or not, its fine....but just knowing that I got it off my chest is good for me....maybe you should try it too, it might help make things more clear....

So all in all, I will repeat myself once more I AM SORRY TO EVERYONE FOR ANYTHING I HAVE EVER SAID OR DONE TO YOU OR WILL DO TO YOU

I love you all as friends and dont want no enemies...In reality we are all Zoe....and above all no hate should be spread around us as we all have this thing we do....and thats RP....

PS, something you should know that I heard which is true "Go hard today, cant worry about the past, cause that was yesterday" Those are from someone famous but its true...

It's a good thing you acknowledge that you were part of the problem, that’s a sign things are moving forward. Now if the rest are flexible enough to start acting like the adults they are, we’ll have a generally good board to RP with. Let’s be honest, part of the reason why Rhayne left the board is precisely because the staff members were publically washing their dirty linen.



That aside, I wish to put some objections to your suggestion: Things should be changed, yes. But we don’t need to go so far as to completely restructure the forum management (well maybe we do, but still carry that amount of faith that the staff will act like adults when the time is necessary too)

Incidentally speaking, from what knowledge over Invasionfree’s Administration board management system, Kenji cannot be removed from the ‘ROOT ADMIN’ post. I’m sure there are some ways to do it somehow if Kenji wanted it, but let’s set that aside.

I submitted two propositions to Tari earlier in the month when he came to me for some ‘consultation’ regarding matters over the management, but I don’t think the proposals were ever posted in the Staff HQ (not that I could check if I wanted to anyway), hence I’ll briefly go through them here again.

I propose having 2 Administrators and 3 Moderators to form a Tripartite-risque ‘alliance’

Kenji will no doubt be one of the two Administration side personnel (unless he deciles the post, then we’ll go find someone else to fill in), with the other post filled by an Member Elected Administrator. If anything, the MEA will be the de facto ‘Head Administrator’. In the case Kenji declines Administrator post (relegated to the post of ‘FOUNDER’, which is really just a namesake and respect as a veteran) a second deputy Administrator will be elected.

The two Administrators are generally there to manhandle the Administration CP, fill out updates, add new forums, move, transplant and control massive hordes of nothingness, etc. They will primarily have a role in riot control and what not, but their job is generally narrowed down specifically to deal with things the moderators do not have access to. They are not prohibited from approving or denying applications though, but their say are no bigger than that of a Moderator in those cases, mainly to prevent the frequently seen “I am an Admin and you listen to me, or else…” problems.

The three Moderators will form the other edge of the ‘alliance’, short of a term to use. The moderators, one each will probably be selected from the three major factions: Rebels, ESU & Commonwealth, and generally handle affairs that pertain to their faction. In general, they also carry the role of approving the applications put out by the members, new and old alike. As with the old management, a moderator cannot approve an application posted for his own faction, but he can deny it if the application goes against in-game canon, the approval will be done by the other two parties in general.

The job that will be shared between both sides is moderation of posting, issuing warnings/bans/suspensions. Something will be looked at if it is reported as or complained against. Proper warnings/advice and bans/suspensions will be put in place, but for general heavy sentences (permanent ban/long-term ban will have to be voted to as or against.

General inter-management voting of important agendas, in-game or not will be handled in the staff HQ, which was created for that purpose. For example, in the case where the storyline breaks apart, or if something major is to happen, proposals put forth will undergo a ‘voting process’. Much like how a parliament works, Administrators each get one vote, and the three Moderators can operate either as a singular entity during voting or get their own vote each: this produces three, or five votes, meaning most simple ‘yes or no’ decisions cannot be stalemated since it's an odd number. The three Moderators form a tripartite of their own to handle smaller affairs, or in the case where they have an argument weather or not to vote ‘yes or no’ in the larger agendas.

Generally speaking, in this scenario most plot-related business is decided upon by the group as a whole. There is an optional ‘Storyboarder’ post that is open to the one particular person who is supposed to be brainstorming the general script for the management to screen through and vote for.



Well, that’s about it for my suggestion. I’ll post the other, more radical change later, since I’m tired, and Asura Cryin’ 8 just finished downloading.

While I do agree with some of this stuff, we do currently have a topic in the HQ to discuss something rather similiar. However, even if this changes there are several other things that need to change, for example, one thing is that I've had to warn several people and tell them to stop doing various things and one thing I noticed is that about 80-85% of the time a mod's warning is ignored until an admin shows up and says the exact same thing as the mod, hell even some of the admins get ignored a couple of times this happens (I have several theories as too why but I'll keep them to myself ATM.), but anyway what I mean is that switching the staff won't do much if their warnings continue to be ignored.

My point is that while everyone (Including some of the staff.) likes to say that switching the staff (Specifically most people say it's due to the mods, which I find to be rather funny, but I won't go into detail on that unless asked.) will fix all the problems that is not true, the staff thing is just one of several problems, probably the biggest one though, but fixing it will not get rid of the others. (I mean for one thing we had the exact same staff for a while with no problems, until Angelis left, I personally think that this was because after Angelis was gone most people weren't too worried about getting into trouble with the staff.)

Also a couple other things, the staff isn't supposed to be around to make people happy, they are supposed to enforce the rules, approve/deny apps, and deal with whatever comes up, if people like them anyway that's always good, I've been to several sites where everyone liked the staff (Except for the people that constantly got into trouble.), however it should never be part of the basis of why the staff is changed. And Dom, about that system with the mods voting as one, I think it'd be much more simple to give each their own vote rather then them needing to do that, and it would still end up with an odd number, five rather then three.

you make a good point, i stand corrected.


My other 'radical idea' is more related to solving the problem regarding how slow plots are driven. or rather, specifically pointing in the direction of how no one has any idea what is going to happen after a certain event gets triggered, and how plots are loosely tied together, how often with horrendous mistakes gets passed through simply there are people who don't realize things happen

The most prominent example i can come up with is the fact michael did not know or was not informed beforehand regarding the fact Owens would be blown to smithereens. we certainly need someone to collate such facts/would-happen-events and convey that to the people who need to know such things (FL & whatnot). of course, the role of that 'Storyboarder' as i call it, is generally there to coordinate the affairs and plan the story's next step, which i believe is a very important factor in retaining our members.

Well heres my opinion in all this, For one..I agree with dom on the part that we do have one toooo many admins for a site such as this. cutting the numbers is perfect.

But heres my suggestion:

One: Instead of scrapping existing admins...since I think ang AINT! coming back, move his position down to FL for now, if he returns we will settle it.

Two: Place a seperate set of rules that only go to the Staff. That would keep even rouge mods and admins in check. Not picking on anyone in particular so please do cheese me out.

and Three: Run some background checks on the people you hire as staff....ask'em things..like an interview...it be a longer process, but it would be more orginized.

Well this is the first of many i can think of.

As ideal, as that may sound in writing it doesn't work in real life. People can just lie and fabricate experience they may have. Its not like your standing there watching them talk to you in person.

Aye, I mean I could say I'm the president of Malaysia or the Governor or Texas. I'm just using a proxy server to confuse you lads.

Stuff like that.

And with the Ang thing, why? I mean he's never been one to do something without a reason so we might as well leave him as he is and restructure things as needed.

WHOA....ok well, this isnt what I planned it to turn out to.....but I guess its not bad either to be abel to see a few of us talking about it....

@Dom: I said in my post that Kenji would stay because we cant take him off. I like your idea but i just seems...so so...I would rather just have a voting thing...give people a chance to vote for the proper people...like this, and this is only an example:

Mod spot one:

Takumi (current mod)

Dom

Solomon

Tari

Micheal

Something like that, I know it seems stupid but it will give people a chance to voice thier honest opinion.....

Ok, I know that I was one of the ones to ignore those warnings, I admit that whch is why I kind of started ths thread, to say sorry about that. I would love to here your theories that invovle why some of us ignore them....dont say its because he dont like them or something along those lines...

Now about your little statement about saying how you thinks its funny that most people say its just the mods who needs switched.....I personally, would not say something like "lets vote for a whole new staff" if I felt it was just mods......I just felt that one mod (who I will not mention) was being a little rude on and off the site, which caused me to think less of him. Also in which he/she did things was just a little un-staff like...NOW...I am not saying he wasnt good at his/her job...I respect him/her for the job that he/she did.

Now will someone answer my other question in my first post???

Never said I meant you about the replacing the mods thing, I don't recall you ever saying that, just didn't feel like typing the names of everyone who said it.

As for the theories, no it's nothing like that, but the main one I can think of is one that I told Tari, so far everyone that has been warned by a mod has some kind of connection to one or more of the admins, I'm thinking they aren't to worried about what a mod does since the admin(s) could just reverse anything the mod could do, or in the case of an admin giving out the warning, they feel that the admin won't actually go through with it or that they'll be given a shorter time then normal. Otherwise there really is no logical reason to ignore a mod's warnings in my opinion.

I cannot say I agree with you. 5 moderators is pushing it given the amount of members that form the lower echelon, I’m offering 3 as the solution because for a credible voting system, an odd number of participants is necessary. And I’m offering Kenji the opportunity to switch his perspective on his job scope, given his track record of being absent most of the time. The idea I have come up with can only be realized when all five members of the staff are active. I’m not looking for Takumi’s level of activity, but at least for us to be able to discuss matters, the member must at least be able to come in once a day or so.

Plus I get the feeling Kenji doesn’t enjoy his work that much. What’s the point of working as a staff member if you cannot possibly be happy about working as one?

I don’t think you don’t already know, but from what I am told (Thanks Blaze) the staff is drafting their own management restructuring plan on their own and a new Head Administrator will be filled out by public election.

I don’t see why Angelis needs to be taken down. Don’t confuse my actions. ESU just needs someone’s leadership to prevent stagnation. I full well intend to hand ESU back to Angelis when he returns. I’m no good with leadership anyway. The best alternative is to keep Angelis as he is at the moment. Since he technically isn’t around, we can disregard his existence until he returns, when we can restructure the positions as is. Strangely enough, it’s not like Angelis to be away for more than a few weeks without actually saying anything, and I fear that the worst has occurred.


And Blaze has repeated poked the most important issue. Moderators don’t get enough respect and authority. Most of the people running around breaking rules are those who have some sort of ‘intimate’ connection to the administration, and feel that with Angelis’ absence, can run amok without the consequences catching up. Afterall they are ‘protected’. Which turns me back to my point of the staff not be ‘adequate’ here.

A second issue I’ll like to highlight is the fact that Administrators tend to ‘promise’ too many things they can’t achieve. With Redcomet’s issue as first hand prominence, I believe we all can see why the outcome became such, and in actuality, with some explanation, how easily things could have been resolved without resorting to drastic measures. I had passed through a third and final proposal to the Administration (Well Tari/Blaze, not sure if they put things through) to hopefully be the thing to resolve the issue. Not that I have a say in the outcome, but I hope that ND doesn’t enter another restart. It’s not exactly in the forum’s best interests if it is known for self-destructions and resets every quarter.