Can We Truly Hate Or Blame Them?

I'm talking ST here. I remember back at MFZ a while back, around the time ShadowTH came out, they had a purist madhouse as mad as Detroit itself. (Of course I don't live near that place, God help me if I did, but just my listening to Ted Nugent a few times you'll learn just what it's like in the second-in-command Crime Capital of the World. The first, if it matters, is St. Louis Missouri. The list, though, I'd have to ask around for since I don't have it). Ok, moving on, here's the point: it just hit me, can we blame ST for this? Let me explain:

-Sonic Heroes: sucked according to the majority of the fanbase. Shallow story, bad graphics, horrible gameplay, etc.

I'll go for graphics and the story. The teams though, I'll admit weren't as bad as I think everyone portrays them to be but they were annoying. (The gameplay itself, I mean). But last I heard, there's some fans who say ST were experimenting with Heroes and ShadowTH. Moving on....

-Shadow The Hedgehog: if you read before, Damien the Bat Demon (MFZ) told us about the huge split between old and new fans on that game. Graphics were terrible; story sucked; gameplay...well, that depends--most olds (as far as I saw) wanted to behead ST but then the news were probably going to become leg-humping fanboys if there was a sequel.

Last I also checked from TSS and other sources, that WAS fan-made. Fans said make Shadow curse, more mature, guns, etc. and thus you get ShadowTH.

-Now Sonic 06: loading times and glitches.

Reason: early release date; that simple. They're improving (supposedly) for the PS3 version, PC I don't know about.



Ok, here's my whole point in this thread: can we TRULY blame ST? I mean, with Heroes and Shadow they were either 1) experimenting or, 2) listening to fans. Then they say fans took away the Adventure Fields in Adventure 2 and also brought back Shadow in Heroes. People CONSTANTLY blame ST--"you shouldn't have rushed out 06." "ShadowTH..." (you go look up some purist forums or asks purists, they'll give you ENCYCLOPEDIAS on how that game was bad). But I don't think we can blame Sonic Team--they're trying to listen to consumers. And these consumers are all divided, they're ungrateful, they're LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy, they're critical...yada yada yada. Honestly, so what if ST is trying to tap markets with ShadowTH? Yes, I know, the game was EXTREME when it came to the new fans, and people scream "u wrk Snic!!!!!111"

Remember: ST is a business, and they don't (or at least shouldn't) create Sonic just because they like him. Now having staff that like him work on the games is one thing, but they're not going to go out of their way for Sonic if he doesn't make money that simple. They're also following the basic marketing concept--in order to succeed, a business must satisfy the wants and needs of consumers. They're TRYING from what I hear, so how about we stop (*bricks self to prevent swearing*), calm down, and move on with our lives. It's not like you can please anyone. Don't believe me? Go talk to Willy Loman and ST--they'll tell you.

i have only one thing i hate them for...

despite the fact that PSO has infinite potential, they are dropping the game, stopping updates, in exchange for working on PSU

PSU has an established plot, with no room for addition

PSO, however, has potential for INFINITE episodes to add

Well what do you expect? They can't stick with one old thing forever, you know. And when new things come out, funds have to be diverted. Kinda like Westwood with Renegade--they eventually shut off WOL (Westwood Online--allowed you to play Renegade on the Internet)I heard, and my guess is for bandwidth reasons or because they had other stuff to work on.

Ok bad example. Hmm....ah, I got one (and it's probably a lot of BS, but I don't follow them much): let's say we're playing Halo 2. Every so often, Bungie will release a patch via Xbox Live to fix glitches, etc. But then Halo 3 comes out. Are they going to keep on wasting money updating Halo 2?--VERY unlikely. The most logical course of action would be to slow down (if not stop entirely) Halo 2 updates so that they could put their maximum effort into Halo 3 . THEN when that's done, and they get some free time, they can start once again updating Halo 2. In this case, PSO is old and out-dated. PSO has gotten attention for a while it seems, so now it's time they take a break for PSU. I'm sure they'll return eventually, but at least until they get PSU sustained I doubt that'll happen.

Even then, not saying this is a mandatory rule or anything, but this thread was meant to be more about Sonic since he's a huge screw-up right now, with 06 and all.

Is PSU not a next pso?


Since it has some item names are the same like monomate and resta?

How am I literally impossible to satisfy? Maybe it's you who's too easy to satisfy, because I can go on any non Sonic forum whether it be Metal Gear, Mario, Zelda, or what ever, ask them what they thought of the latest Sonic game, and I guarentie 9/10 of the people will say it sucked. Does that mean that everyone is a biased purist fanboy who can't appreciate Sonic Team's efforts at making a new game? No, it means the latest Sonic game sucked and the only people they can appeal to now a days are the fanboys who keep buying their games, convincing themselves it will be good purely out of their own hype.

It's Déjà vu all over again...Well, at least we got a new member, but how long has yet to be seen. Anyway,

You make it sound like I was specifically referring to you Thunder, but that's at about 90% of the people who call themselves Sonic fans. I have yet to see a fan who will say "wow, Sonic Team did good at XYZ, but they need to improve on ABC." Here's what I see: "ZMG SNC SUX!!!!!11111" Sonic fans never stop complaining, they're never happy for ANY good. That's why I say it's impossible to please a fan. Don't believe me? Look around, plenty of people from MFZ know it, people here know it. But if you want to talk to them, good luck--people come in here for a week, at most, and then leave, and the ones who actually agreed left.

Oh really? So, what, I'm too easy to satisfy JUST because I am thankful, dwell on positives instead of negatives, and don't complain nonstop while still purchasing games?

Why ask about a game on the board of a competing company? I go there, you're more-prone to find people who hate Sonic with every fiber of their being, and therefore they focus on their favorite game company.

People always bash games before they come out. They can't even give Sonic a chance before they assume it's going to suck. You also just further proved my point from MFZ--ST won't go out, and they won't improve, all because people still buy. As for me, I actually enjoyed Next-Gen and I'm willing to give ST a chance. Really, besides some cliches and 4Kids (even then I shouldn't be mentioning them since I knew they would still be a part of the game), I was satisfied. Problems?--glitches and load. That I can tolerate, and trust me, I've talked to others.

Want an example? Try PMing Maganium, she said the same and can also give you the lecture on why you can't please fans. But if you do manage to get her to return, mind telling her to at least tell us why she keeps on leaving? (We'd actually appreciate if you do the same, unless you just came to further debate)

PSU was intended to be the next PSO...however, its execution makes it something entirely different, and rather lame

Back on topic please, not PSO. I was actually referring more to the Sonic fans when I started this thread.....

same company....

...what? Sega released ST dude, it happened shortly before Sonic 06 was put into production. But if they got reasorbed, that's news to me.

Sonic Team created all the sonic games, as well as the entire Phantasy Star series...you didn't know that?

If you haven't noticed I gave Sonic Team their chances, too many in fact. I gave them a chance with the Advance games, those sucked. I gave them a chance with Heroes. It sucked. I gave them a chance with Shadow, that sucked. I gave them a chance with Rush, it was pretty good. And finally I gave them a chance with Sonic 06 and it was even worse than Shadow.

Also, I AM thankful for some of the things Sonic Team have actually done believe it or not. I'm thankful Tails made an appearence at all in this game (But the fact that he was basically just there for fan service sucked), I'm thankful the graphics to Secret Rings don't look like they came out of my asshole (Because we all know how 3rd parties are handling the Wii, atleast Sega tryed), and I'm thankful Shadow isn't showing his sorry ass in Secret Rings and Sonic is finally flying solo.

How about this: how is 06 worse than Shadow? I could go into a whole ten page lecture about why Sonic 06 beats that game and heroes any day, but instead let's just see what you have to say. Also, again, if you're through JUST STOP PLAYING! Is it THAT difficult?

Before I boycotted family guy, I gave them multiple chances to stop with the religious attacks, they never did. So what did I do? I stopped watching the show. I've also played games I hate, but what I do is quit playing instead of buying all of the new ones and then complaining about every thing they did wrong. Honestly, no negativity meant here, why do you still play?

Just for clarification: I say either to shut up and give ST a chance (meaning an end to endless bashing of games before they come out), or else you stop playing. That simple. I'd also be a bit easier if everyone (not just you) would actually be happy for something. Most of the people I see bash and complain, nothing else.

Could've fooled me. All I see you do is complain about how ST sucks.

Forgive me if I'm wrongly attributing, but aren't you one of the many who are saying to give Sonic, Tails, etc.a break? Moving on, though, what else would you want him to do? Notice that 06 was focused mainly around the hedgehogs. What does it matter if Tails was put in to please fans or for actual importance?

1) What is with you and Shadow? What does he need to improve? As far as I'm concerned (and several others from what I've seen, not to say though that many still hate his guts) he's redeemed.

2) I saw those multiplayer images on Sonic News, and they have most of the old cast, including Shadow. (But I don't remember specifics, I'd have to look it up). Of course you could counter that multi is canon, even if that matters, but did Sega ever CONFIRM no Shadow?--seriously, I'm not an expert on rings, and if they haven't confirmed they possibly could have thrown the others in without telling us, you know...

one more thing...Sonic Team was never a company on its own. Sonic Team is actually a design team of SEGA.