Hey there; hopefully some people still visit the boards here, and if they do, I'd like to propose that we reset the league. Move it on to season 2, or what-have-you. In the next iteration of the league, if there is interest in such a thing, the top 5 on the ranking board should receive a prize if they return for the next "season". My suggestion would be in addition to the packs they receive as their starting pool, they get their choice of additional packs, to be distributed 3-2-2-1-1 for players 1-5 (currently this would be Koschei, Mno, Huskie, Mikktrix, and Clawn). If they don't participate in the next iteration, the prize would not pass to the next in line.

Changes that I think would be welcome:

1.) Starting pools consisting of the SAME set of packs. DIS, GP, CS, and 9th certainly got the cold shoulder this round, and as such a lot of fun and potentially successful deck archetypes did not rear their heads, since the card pool just wasn't there. Standardizing the starting packs everyone gets will increase the chances of new and creative decks forming.

2.) Ratings to include W/L record for easier money tracking.

3.) Better rules around where to post cash transactions, for easier money tracking.

4.) Rule about players keeping track of their OWN money, but admins will double-check current money with purchases. This is to alleviate the strain on the banker, who, with the previous implemented rules to better discern how much money players have, will have a much easier time.

5.) NEW BLOCKS. I personally would love to see an Invasion block + RAV (or TSP) block format. People would get current cards as well as get to play around with old cards they may not be familiar with. This would seriously curb players from trading and buyin straight for established netdecks, and would add a fresh flavor to the league in general.

6.) More events! Free or paid events such as drafts, and the prizes therein, could keep the league fresh and hopefully keep people around.

7.) Established time-frame for league activities. Say up-front that the season will last X weeks (5-6?), and after that will be a new "season." New players will of course be welcome to join at any point during the league, but they would have a concrete date when the playing field would be levelled again. This would also lend a sense of urgency to the league, and hopefully lend itself to players not just up and leaving.

8.) Allow players 1 re-roll of starting pools. Many players probably felt maligned by the fact that some players received hugely better starting pools while theirs were quite lacking. Allow them 1 immediate re-roll before any cards are traded if they want one, with the knowledge that there won't be another one. Hopefully players won't be discouraged by a starting pool to the point that they would just abandon their account after a couple days.


What do you guys think? While it was more active a few weeks ago, the league was a whole lot of fun! If we use this first "season" as a building block, I think we can all make this work even better in the coming future.

(Plus, with Spring Break hitting right about now for many people, this would be the PERFECT time to start over again; while people have the free time!)

eh i kinda like what we have
i think we need more participation tho... Its kinda failing because no one is taking part. for the first two weeks it was really a fun time after that it kinda toned down a bit. I would be up for it but only if there was more participation.(i go on almost every day but no one else is on...this is getting quite boring)

Yeah, needs a reset. Even though I'm finally hammering out a deck I like, its unfortunate playing where there is the ability to just blatantly set out to copy proven competitive decks.

Let's see...

I say, Ravnica Block, Invasion, and the Expert Level Early Sets >:).

I totally wanna play the Legends Set again!

I think that having new blocks in particular will encourage people to participate for longer. It will set the league apart as something besides a glorified sealed tournament, and people will get to play with cards they may have never even seen before. As an added bonus, the amount of attempted netdecking will seriously decrease, and people will actually have to adapt deck ideas to playing in a format where Pernicious Deed and Meddling Mage are legal along with Faith's Fetters and Rumbling Slum.

The reason I like the idea of Invasion block + Ravnica block so well is that both blocks deal with multicolor decks, primarily off-color ones. I think that by giving players an environment that is completely different than netdecking on MWS or playing sealed or constructed Type 2 in general, people will come and stick around.

I like. The only problem is my timezone, but I've had to grapple with that for...the entire duration of the league, so it shouldn't be too bad.

I might live again if you reset >.>, Wait I posted, OH NOES!

Reset FTW! And adding some new blocks will be cool. :)

I believe you meant FTW, lol, and ya, I'd do a reset, first however we need to get people recruited, if we are doing a reset all clear all the forums and we can get started.

Yea lol FTW, not WTF. :D

i don't really care what we do i just want ppl to play like we did for the first 2 weeeks but i don't want to reset every month to have that kind of play contine

Alright, so ... it seems like a pretty good idea to reset, then. I know I'm looking forward to it.

How about we officially reset on WEDNESDAY, MARCH 28? Over the next couple days we can go through and delete all old posts and such, and recruit from MTGSally and wherever else we can think. We'll get the backbone of the system up over the next couple days, laying out the new ground rules for people just coming in, and then officially issue starting pools to people on Monday or Teusday.

Any objections to doing a INVASION + RAVNICA + 9TH ED season of the league? :) I think it'll be a blast; multicolor off-color decks galore. If you have other suggestions though, please voice them now before we just haul off and do one thing or another.

Also, we'll need to know who'll be around to admin and mod the various sections, officially. I know I'm here, and CPE expressed an interest in coming back if we reset; I don't know if he wants to admin though. Huskie, you still in? How about Someguy? And is there anybody else willing to step up? (Mno I know had an interest)

If you reset it, we'll have the automation all done. Just set an amount of time for us to aim to finish?

Oooooo automation .... :lol:

Any chance it could be done by Teusday?

If you need any help moderating, then I'll be glad to do it. :D

I like ravnica and invasion but why 9th edition...

To have a core set in there to choose from as well. The constructed format is usually 2 blocks and a core, right?

I guess we could pick a different core than 9th, if people wanted.

my problem with 9th is that a lot of the good cards are from invasion and 9th just sucks in general...

Ill bug Huskie over AIM the next time I see him, and bug the like 5+ mafia players that they will play or be spammed (Why does aim have ignor? it always ruins my plots >.> ) Automation = OMG OMG YAUS. I mean >.>

If we add 7th, we get access to Counterspell...*evil laugh*

Maybe 8th? :unsure:

Time to mingle!

I am also quilty of not spending much time here, the last days... (weeks? :unsure: )
And at that time i was already kinda in for a reset.
But my thoughts, starting with DVagabond and going down the line...(not mentioning stuff means i got nothing too add too);

I disagree with the numbers, and partially with this as a whole.
First off, players who played well during the past season already showed they had skill in playing, building and trading. Why reward this with even more packs? This makes it easier for them to get on top faster.
Also, if this whole thing would be allowed, 3 packs is TOO much. Downgrading it too 2 (1st) 1 (2nd, 3rd) would be more balanced. Also, as i am in this top 3/5, i hereby forfeit any extra packs i would get beyond the starting package (altho i am not forfeiting to any chances to get Nephilim ;-) ...as i made the promise i will make a owning Nephilim deck, w00t!)

I cannot say anything else than: I agree. But(!) no restrictions on post-starting pool buying. Except it being T2, defined by the new season :P

I feel mixed about this. For various reasons.
People, like me, who play the game since...say legends may know every card, and its power level. Wich would increase there knowledge about the game, trading etc by far. Keeping it too newer blocks gives every player a same, decent, level of skill and knowledge with the cards. Altho i must say Invasion meets Ravnica is the best combination. I think there should be a poll/vote? It does cutdown the netdecking, and that is something wich we could keep it mind. But does it outweigh the negative side?

Spring Break...not here... only more school, more finals...more more more.
But you never have time off, you make spare time for good stuff ;)
I'm in!

@ Koschei
Don't whine about your time zone, your friggin' first ;) ;) ;) :rofl:

About the core sets.
I think, for CORE sake we should include one pack 9th in the starting pool
But as no one (read: should) has an interest in 9th, i think it has potential to make 9th the weekly pack. *i hear many "uhh", "erm", "wtf do u mean", "u b trippin" etc.*
What i do mean? Well, every friday, at a certain time EVERYONE will receive, for FREE, a booster pack of 9th. Too get 9th in the card pool, but without really forcing it too players to buy it.

About modding.
I'd shown interest, in keeping this site working. These interests and spending of my time to the community is still in offer.
Would there be need of me, notify me.

About bew recruitment.
Who will be making a post/text/w.e @ MTGSalvation?
I will make some "advertisements" on a forum of me and friends, a dutch magic forum (KVdeckmasters) and will find additional spots (like FNM places:P)

Did i miss on stuff? ^^

Checking the rest of the forum now :rolleyes:
-Mno

*P.S. I will change my e-mail settings to mail-notify on PM...

Thanks for the thoughts, Mno!

I can see your point in the prize distribution, and I'm personally fine with switching to 2-1-1. I think there should still *be* a prize as a reward for coming out on top after all is said and done, and 2-1-1 seems pretty fair in that regard.

Also, I totally agree on there being absolutely no pack limitations after the start.

As for the different skill levels of veteran players knowing the cards ... Hmm. I see your point, and I'm glad you brought it up. Normally I'm the one bringing up points like that :P Anyway ... after giving it some thought, while I see your point I also think the potential positives outweigh the potential negatives of having an old block thrown in the mix. First, I don't know how many players will have knowledge of those old sets ... my guess is it's not *too* many of them. Second, even with knowledge of some old cards, I don't know that it will necessarily unbalance things; I give players credit for knowing a good card when they see one. Crack a Flame-Tongue Kavu and my guess is any player will realize its power. Also, since we'd be mixing two non-consecutive blocks, card combinations won't be so readily known ... everyone will be floundering a bit trying to find cool card synergies, since I doubt anybody has played a INV/RAV constructed block format before. :D

I think we should go ahead and get started on this, but I want to be sure everybody's okay with it.

@Mno: :lol: True enough. I like your Core set idea as well. It's an easy way to solve the problem of actually injecting 9E staples into the league.

As a sidenote, I had forgotten that they printed FTK in Invasion. :o That might muddy the waters a bit..though I do look forward to mixing Ledgewalker with Armadillo Cloak, and the INV Dragons with their PC counterparts.

I'm one of the newer magic players and i would love to play invasion it gives me a chance to see some of the older sets even tho i'll probably get owned...(i've been playing since Ravnica so i only know kamigawa-present)

@Mno:I like the core set idea.

@koshei: I don't think we are having PC in the mix(are we?) I thought we were just doing RAV block, INV block, and some cores set.

You'd better be gratefull! :rofl: :D :D :D *J/K xD*

I get less prize reward w00t!

I learned from the best ;) *cough cough :lol:* *J/K...again xD*

If someone does not realize the power of FTK...well...not to be harsh or anything...but...NOOB :P
Card combinations aren't really known. But 3-colour decks will be making up the standard, is my guess. As Invasion was all about Hate-Alliances (w/b, r/u) and Ravnica is all about feel the multicolour powerrrrrrrrr!
So Multicoloured decks ftw...omg, Shocklands will be worth a crapload... :o

Like commando's say: "Move move move!"


@ Koschei
No PC counterparts ;) Invasion Block + Ravnica Block...+ x'th (puke, lol)
FTK is just gold, just like finding a Pyrohemia, Calciderm or Enslave in a pack. They can have a great deal of influence on the board.

@ sgtpie
Well, if a newer player shows interest, it should all be fine. And i do think it would be funny. Balance...well..."we don't care"

Again,
-Mno

Edit: P.S. The free x'th pack per week is a deal?

Well even though I'm a fan of 6th ... for simplicity's sake how about we go with 9th instead - especially with giving out a pack a week (an idea I fully endorse), it won't be as crazy as giving out a pack of high-power-level 6th ED cards a week. :)

So! INV/RAV/9th ED it is, then, barring any last-second changes requested by a whole boat-load of players. The leaders of the current league, Koschei, Mno, and Huskie all have the option to receive starting packs added to their pool - Koschei will get 2, Mno and Huskie 1 each if they'd like them. (Mno, want to have one GP pack cracked to see if you get a Nephilim? lol)

For the new season, each player (barring the three listed above) will receive the following starting pool: 1 Tournament Pack of EITHER Invasion or Ravnica, and 1 booster pack of each other set besides the tourney pack. This choice will be made when the player makes an introduction post on the boards.

Later tonight, if there are no objections, I'll either move all posts in relevant league-related sections to an archive folder, or just delete them altogether. I don't think we'll be needing them ... I'll also clear out the current user card pools to make room for new pools to be distributed.

Players will have the option to request ONE new starting pool if they get a super-terrible one on their first go; this will need to be done immediately before any trading.

One pack of 9th ED will be distributed per week to each player. Packs and card sales will be handled just as in the last season; $4 per pack or $10 for 3. Individual cards are not for sale from the store, but players may sell them as they see fit.

If this is okay with everybody (and I'll make a new post with this exact info as well, just so it's up on top and people can see), we should be starting the new league season very soon! Let's get out there and advertise the hell out of it and get a lot of new players! :)