ok I am going to pose some questions since it's past the 1st of July

1) how many people new that John would lose his serpent before they read this book

2) we now know Emma's heritage but what's with that giant ass demon snake form that ronnie saw

3) I loved how Emma handled Er Lang

4) I don't understand about freddo's demon farther he was already tamed by the fire pill

5) it's a pity about Michael and Clarissa so the question is when will he and Simone get together

6) who is looking forward to the HUGE battle that the demon king will make

7) will Emma accept the new number one's help to kill the king

well on question
1) nope did not expect it I expected that he would be trapped 100%

2) Ronnie did not say he had seen a demon snake he saw a snake like creature that scared the hell out of him, some thing so big and dark but not demon.
now if you think about it Ronnie is a demon and a big one at that.
What would scare a big demon more then a huge shen like creature.

3) yeah but he was not handled by her he was just reminded that killing him was the easy way out.

4) well its simple really the demons lose all free will when they take the fire pill.

5) not to fast I hope.

6) more looking forward to the moment they free the serpent half of xian wu and the wedding.

7) would hope not. i hope Emma will kill the king her self with out help from demons.

1. There's no way people will know about this without reading the book. I mean, people can probably guess, but that guess would be as baseless as any random guess about what might happen in the next book.

3. I like how Er Lang turned out to be.

5. I'm still hoping that they won't be together. I really like Michael being a big brother to Simone than as her lover.

6. Definitely looking forward to that, and I'm not sure how the heaven can even defend themselves. They seem to be very disadvantaged in terms of strength, and it's going to be interesting to see what they could do to prepare themselves. I'm hoping for a new powerhouse on the good guys side, but no idea who'd fit. Maybe JE would have JE1 and JE2 who can kick ass or something.

7. Doubtful, but if yes, there's no way that the Demon King would be killed by the number 1. Demon King is the main villain of the whole story now, so his death would most likely happen on the last book and by the main good guys (either Emma or John or Simone). That's the only fitting way to kill him.

when the demon king made his oath at the end of hell to heaven to john about not caging the turtle I was almost certain that he was going to try for the serpent

I don't doubt your guess, but it was still baseless other than your guts/feelings. When Demon King said he would not cage the turtle, it can mean different things such as:
+ Caging the serpent (if DK is cunning)
+ Caging John as a whole (if DK is cunning)
+ Not caging anyone/anything (if DK being goody goody)
+ Caging the turtle anyway (if DK decided to break his promise, OR if he was cunning by saying that the "Demon King" that caged the turtle was not him)

What I meant is each of those has the same probability of happening in book 6 if you haven't read the book yet because you'd never know what DK would do until you actually read the book (we know that his word is good, but there's no guarantee that he would never ever broke his words ... there's always a first time for everything). This is not to mention that there's no guarantee that Kitty Kwok would be "caught" in book 6 either. It could've happened in book 7 or 8 or even 9 if you only read up to book 5.

It was obvious that DK was being sneaky in that he only said he wouldn't cage the turtle. What about the snake or John as a whole? As we now know, that was what he ment.

What wasn't obvious was that DK was KK. That came out of the blue. And that Emma had been doctored by DK as KK way before she meet John and that she was a plant. Nor the whole filling her with demon essence was part of the larger plan to trap John.

As for Heaven needing help, I figure they'll get it from the other Shen, thats what 7&8 will be about, Emma and Co looking into her history and possibly danger from the Western Shen, remember DK said that they would eat her alive, specially since her ancestors were thrown out for marrying against orders. (Also given that Kylie's last holiday was to England and she wouldn't say exactly where due to giving away spoilers :) So I do think 7 will cover all that.

i have a theory about the non existing celestial western shen ...

Eastern shen have been trying for a whilst to contact western shen but to quote "it seems as if there are NO western shen, all we could find was demons everywhere'

i believe that what DK was trying to do to Xian Wu actually happened to the western shen and apart from some western shen [that have not achieved immortaity] like Emma that there are no western shen and if they are they are hiding in the fartherest smallest hole that they can.

Emma is well on her way to immortality [according to Kwan Yin] and my take on this is that her western shen was accidently activated by her exposure to Xian Wu and that once Emma achieves immortality she willl disappear but to the Western Celestial NOT the Eastern ... and Xian Wu will have to find her ...

also remember about Emma's dreams about trying to reach the hill and another snake states that they are going to power ... i believe the this is Emma's celestial form that is emerging ...

i have a theory about what might have happened to the western shen/celestial and i will post that later

questions ?

Yea one question. When are u posting ur theory?? :P

I think you're right about Emma going to the Western Celestial and not the Eastern. given the nature of her snake and as you said the dreams she's had.

that or the western shen hold her captive/wipe her memory etc. Though I'm leaning towards the above theory.

I bet Kylie's laughing her head off at us trying to work out what comes next. hehehe

well it would not be good if Kylie laught her head off because then she would be dead and we would not get to see the end of the series

on the weekend ...

the thought of the DK as Kitty Kwok still has be in knots. some of the stuff Kitty got up to in Dark Heavens. ah, brain freeze.

TBH I think I'm gonna have to re read from start again to 1) try and find the threads Kylie mentioned else where and 2) if it was obvious and we just missed it. :/

lol

what I don't understand is how he was able to hide his demon nature from everyone especially John in white tiger maybe Kylie will explain?

it could have something to do with DK being DK ... remember when No2 dies he had guts ... DK obviously can take Human form ...

yes but all the times he was in human form Emma and john new he was a demon I am just trying to figure out how his kitty form was undetectable

I think because John was so drained and wasn't really looking nor expecting Kitty to read as anything but human. Though trying to remember I think she's always read as funny, which was put down to her 'experimentations' on the kids to keep her 'young'.

Will definately have to re read them all for the millionth time lol

Also if memory serves (I need to re-read to confirm this), whenever Kitty was in the same room as John, she had a big demon with her, so that would have probably helped her with "hiding" from John.

you are right about that perhaps kylie might explain more if she reads this thread

1)Most people suspected it, but I was a bit sceptical on that thought. I was proven wrong. (awesome thinking Emma)

2)It's not exactly demon, that would probable be the remnants of the snake that Emma becomes and does awesome stuff without remembering (aka Johns serpent possessing her as shown in book seven) If not that snake than Emma's European shen heritage snake that does all the cool stuff with black chi as seen in book seven.

3) Awesome stuff.

4) I guess that's just how demon spawn work.

5) I doubt there will be a Simone and Michael, but Clarissa may come back into the question. Not all hope is lost there.

6) Oh yeah, now that's what I'm talking about. Emma's real snake black chi'ing the hell out of all those demons, Simone with her yin, John in true form or with Seven stars, the White Tiger, Michael, and if they are lucky, the other four winds, some other shen, and maybe even his JEness.

7) Not to sure on that matter, very iffy.

yer ur right about it all some of it was very hard to see caus it was very weel hidden in pain sight just like a ninja

ninjas hide in plain sight?
i thought they flitted around in the shadows, hid on the roof beams and did awesome acrobatic stuff... :ph43r:
plus you would kind of stand out in that costume right?

I was using a ninja as a example

Actually, Green Dragon was pretty accurate on that account. The black ninja costume came about from westerners watching ninja being portrayed on stage. Since the ninja was the "invisible" man, rather than using an actor, they would use one of the backstage people who were dressed all in black so they would blend into the background i.e. "invisible". Westerners then took this back with them and spread tales about these assassins who dressed all in black.

Real ninja worked like your modern assassin, they would dress in whatever clothes fit the location, so they could be dressed anywhere between a peasant's to a full samurai's getup. The main rule was to be inconspicuous. So yes, they actually did hide in plain sight when the occasion called for it :)

I kew it thanks Venoltar for clearing things up for me if jaetwee didnt beleave me at first the answer is always in our faces even that we dont see it or know it

oh. i c. that actually makes more sense than having people dressed all in black walking around and nobody noticing.

yes probaly because they could all blend in to the crowds

I knew something like this was going to happen when I read the oath the DK took to not cage the turtle and I discussed it in one of my topics.

Hi this I completely out of topic but in hell to heaven at the start, around about the 5 or 6th chapter(unsure) page 61-
"...he's spawn of Qing long and she's one of the daughters of the dragon king..."
What is the difference between the dragon king and Qing long?
This was the first and it also appears in heaven to wudang where the Qing long says
The dragon king ordered her but she wouldn't marry me and he disowned her. This was when he was trying to get jade to marry him, the him being Qing long
Please someone tell me this has been making me go nuts for quite a while. :blink:

Well its like this Qing long is not the king of the dragons but the god of the east/minor yin/wood element
If I am correct this makes Qing Long above the king but
Qing Long has more stuff to worry about then just the dragons so i would think he would have a person in place to rule over the dragons and only come to him when something the king him self could not handle, of course its beneficial for a king to please his god so he would order a princess to marry his god as to suck up off course.

Ah makes sense thank you

yes thanks

I'm curious who has precedence so far as the Dragons are concerned when it comes to Qing Long and Dragon king? Is it like Britain with the Queen and the Prime Minister? (in this analogy the Queen being akin to Qing Long).

I would say Qing long has precence over dragon king as Qing long is the emperor of the east

I thought it would be the other way around since his name is dragon king would he not be Qing Long's boss in a way

Actually no. You see Qing long is the east wind like tiger who is the west wind and the Phoenix the south wind so Qing long would be the boss of the dragon king.
It like having a king and a general who is under the king. In this case the king being Qing long and the general being the dragon king.

ah so Quin Long is the Dragon Kings boos basicaly

Yes :)

so if Quin Long is the boss of the Dragon King that would make Xuan Wu the bigest boss of them all exept the big bos that tells Xaun W u what to do

Yep