11 Maui 311
12 Mircea the Old 297
13 Mithredates VI The Great 284
14 Grainne Ni Mhaille 277
15 Ajax 272
16 Benrig Medb 271
17 Genghis Khan 270
18 Salah Ad Din 263
19 Hijikata Toshizo 250
20 Hugh Glass 239

I think there are some warriors on this list that probably shouldnt be this high.

I think Ajax is overrated, extremely overrated. His boulder is at +0 and his expereince is crap, not good odds. The only card that I like in his pack is his special. I think the only reason he is ranked this high is because he has 10 life.

I think Grainne Ni Mhaille is another warrior that might be a little high. Here warrior ability is pretty much useless in this format. Her inspiration ability is limited to fire or water cards, we have 156 warriors and 153 inspirations, so she will only work against 1/3 of the warrior packs, it could be more or less for those that are in the COTT I am too lazy to look that up. My point is that she has a lot of cards that are dependent upon the opponent meeting certain conditions; if one condition is met then chances are the others won’t be. She does have pirate stronghold and A.I. but I am not sure those are enough.

I think Hugh Glass is better then we think. He had an epic battle against Benrig and Mithredates. The dice played a major role against Mithredates and played a part against Benrig as well, mindbomber can back me up on this. His inspiration is going to shut down weapons, so unless they crit it becomes a 1 damage weapon. I think Hugh should be in the top 15 atleast.

I think Hijikata should have been in the top 15 as well. He can prevent damage bonuses and critical hits, he boosts his initiative and experience. He shuts down speed gain, which hurts one of the top 10 warriors. His special increases your odds to hit. He has a very good pack and a case could probably be made that he deserves a top 10 spot.

I dont really have much to say about any of the other warriors. I will say that I am a little surprised that Roland is missing from this part of the list. Roland gets no love because he is a 6 lifer, but he has life gain and damage reduction in his pack. He is almost 100 immune to critical hits, and his pack can allow him to make multiple weapon attacks if you can roll doubles. His pack is definitly top 20 material.

it bugs me that vlad is not in the top 20. of course his inspiration is worthless and can backfire, but except for that the pack seems insane IMHO. the weapon is almost guaranteed hit with the initiatives, the armor can shut down the most annoying armors, the special is good and may bait some opponents, and the initial ping along with the experience may swing the game in your favor right away.

i would gladly put Vlad in place of Saladin in this list. He's a 9 lfier, with an exceptional ability, but i really feel like he's overrated. he's got nothing to hold his back once he flips Jerusalem. what if it backfires?

i'm also a bit surprised by Maui-Tikitiki being that close to top 10. I ranked him as 19, so i'm not saying he's bad. but is he good enough to be almost top 10? i'm not that sure.

Muai has beatin Ivan, Grainne, Nobushige, Catherine, and Aeneas and he has lost to Joshua, Roland and Tecumtha (when he won the COTT). He has an impressive resume.

Vlad on the other hand is not nearly as impressive. He has beaten Thesues and Cleopatra, and lost to Milo and Subedei.

Salah has beaten Burebista, Hanzo, Tecumtha, and Agamemnon and he has lost to Martel, Mircea and Cortes. I think the people that Salah has beaten is beter then Vlad's list and I think Salah has lost to tougher opponents as well.

My reactions (without my notes and files in front of me):

I don't think Ajax in the top 20 is too bad. Though he's got drawbacks, I think that 10 life is what might warrant him being here (we'll see how he fares in future COTTs). Due to that 10 life, Ajax can weather a critical weapon hit. To me, that staying power allows him to rely a little more on some lucky dice. Again, we'll see what the future holds.

I'm fine with Grainne where she is, as well. I can't look up the stats, but I do like the synergy of her pack. Even if the opponent doesn't match any elemental requirements, she can still run W-A-S and get +1 to her rolls round 2, life and speed bonuses round 3, and a defensive re-roll against weapons. And, I'll admit, I like the character. I may be giving her benefit of the doubt.

I concur on Hugh. In fact, I think I had him higher than Medb on my lists. Having seen him in COTT action... he's frightening. He's just so good at shutting down weapons, which usually play a huge role in the COTT.

Roland surprises me, as well. Yeah, he had an unfortunate matchup... it may be that he and Glass get the shaft because they're not overpowering. Their power comes from shutting down the opponent's options. I think he's top-10.

My pick for slighted warrior is Itzcoatl. I know folks don't dig the Aztecs, but Itz has such a flexible pack (in addition to 9 life, 4 speed, and pumpable experience). I mean, you can go A-W, punishing your opponent for trying to kill a 9-lifer quickly. You can go W-I, giving yourself the chance to tack on that extra damage. You can go S-W, and foil damage-reduction warriors (like Hugh). That, and he's proven himself in past COTTs.

-J.

Itzcoatl slighted? Lets see, he has beaten Ivan, Beowulf (COTT 2), Suleiman, Genghis (COTT 3), and Harald (COTT 4), he has lost to Cortes, Mircea, and Odysseus. He has been beaten by some really good warriors, but the only really good warrior he beat was Ivan, Genghis is a good warrior pack but I dont think he is as good as he used to be. I suppose he was slighted a little bit but I dont think he is 11-20 material, 21-30 sure.

Like Achilles, I was disappointed to see Ajax this high. I am not a fan of his support card setup. +0 weapon attacks with his experience are not inspiring. He has some good cards, but on the whole I don't like his pack.

I actually had Hijikata in my top 10. I consider his pack that good.

Hugh is where he should be right now, I think. I agree that his pack is monster, but until folks see more of him in action, he's going to appear as a lucky newcomer. You can argue that he should be higher, but given that he's only participated in 1 COTT, I see why he's where he is.

Grace is higher than I expected her to be, but her pack is quite good, so I would have figured her for top 20 somewhere.

The rest I have no beef with. Salah's only weak point -- if you want to call it that -- is his inspiration. His other cards are solid, and he himself is quite good. I don't consider Vlad that good personally; I forget where I had him ranked, probably top 30, but maybe lower, I don't recall. Maui is where he is because of his 4 speed, decent pack, high life, and not craptastic grid... and he's beaten packs even I thought he'd lose to.

I agree that Hugh should be higher. His weapon is not great, and his special is pretty bad in this format, but his armor is decent, his inspiration is excellent, and Hugh himself is extremely useful all told.

With Ajax, do not underestimate his grid, life, and Megali Aspida. Chiron is very good and he can survive until late game to use it, while the rock is a throwaway that can totally swing the game if he gets lucky. His armor isn't terrible either.

With Maui, a first-turn Tu-Matauenga is absolutely devastating, while Kahu Kiwi can net you some extra basics useful for finishing things off. Mana can save your butt as well.

I don't much like Grainne, but she has a strong pack and grid even if her ability is mostly useless... I'd put her in the top 30, though not necessarily as high as she is.

Personally, I like Genghis' pack. +3 basics and either Zhad or Alman Sukh are a great combo.

His warrior ability and inspiration and armor make up for the horrible special (in COTT format) and the lack of a powerful weapon. What gets me is that Benrig is ranked so much higher then he is and she is 4-4 and Hugh Glass is 2-1 and he beat her.

It is hard to find a fault in a 10 life warrior that lacks a serious drawback. His ability to deal direct damage when you hit with an attack roll containing a 1 is more of blessing in this format because there is a good chance of fighting a warrior with 7 life. I like Chiron and I like his special, increased odds for a crit is always good. I dont like the rock or his armor. A smart person will get into the best grid possible and then attack, if they can. The rock is at +0 and with his low exp shouldnt hit very often.

I have a lot more respect for Maui after what he did to Ivan in the COTT 3 and what he did to Aeneas and what he almost did to Joshua. All of his loses are to strong warrior packs, Tecumtha, Roland and Joshua.

She ripped Stephan a new one, so how can you not take notice. She followed that up with a lose to Horemheb but only because that cursed udjat eye triggered 9 times, otherwise she would have won. That speed gain with +2 basics and a decent weapon + life gain is a force to be reckoned with. I no longer underestimate her.

The rest of the field has caught up to him and in some cases has passed him bye. I like the Zhad or Alman Sukh interchangability but you still need to hit with the Sukh and then you need to get through some damage prevention. Still a good pack though.